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anna.carte...@gmail.com  
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From: anna.carte...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Sep 17 2008 11:27 pm
Subject: My parents bought AIG at $58
Hi there,

My parents bought 2000 shares of AIG at $58 and 1000 shares of BAC at
$39 in 2005.  In July when it was around $20 with all this news on TV
I was wondering if they need to sell but it went back to $25. My
parents said no worry it's a long term investment.

Now it's $2 and I do realize that it may take a while for us to
recover our losses, but my parents seems upset now and my mom is
blaming my dad. I don't want to question them and make things worse,
but just curious what's going to happen to AIG? Is it going to end up
like Fannie Mae now that the government has 80% stake? What do you
think my parents should do now?

What about BAC? Do you think I should tell them to sell?

Thanks
Anna


 
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:10:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Investors are doing their best to save AIG.

My brother works wall street.
My sister-in-law works AIG.

So, uhm....
Go rant the Government or SEC or Greedy crooks for doing poor job.


 
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
 
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:15:14 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
 
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
That sucks Anna. Lots are suffering right now but there are others
making profits, kicking AIG into the ground.
Chalk it up as a life lesson - only to invest only what you feel
comfortable loosing.

anna.carte...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi there,

> My parents bought 2000 shares of AIG at $58 and 1000 shares of BAC at
> $39 in 2005.  In July when it was around $20 with all this news on TV
> I was wondering if they need to sell but it went back to $25. My
> parents said no worry it's a long term investment.

> Now it's $2 and I do realize that it may take a while for us to
> recover our losses, but my parents seems up

set now and my mom is


 
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From: maleb...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Hi Anna:

The reason why you can't get a straight answer is because no one
knows.  We are in uncharted waters with AIG (and for the whole market
for that matter).  What will the stock price be a month from now, a
year from now, or longer.   (By the way, I think that is a misnomer.
I think it is a loan.  Granted it's a loan at very unfavorable terms
but AIG did not receive a gift and they certainly have collateral).
Anyway, what should your parents do?

Okay, it depends on their situation.  If they do not need the money to
live then holding tight on AIG is a no-brainer.  They've already lost
their investment - the damage has been done.  So what if it goes to
$0, practically all the money is already gone.  As time goes by, AIG
will sell some of its considerable assets and get out of hock, I would
not be surprised to see the stock rise (if you look at the assets -
they will have no problem raising this money and coming out the other
side with a significant business portfolio intact.  Remember, AIG is
not insolvent - they are illiquid which is a BIG difference).  Will it
get to $58?  Who knows because there will be a little doubt that the
AIG that emerges after this will be different than what your parents
bought.

(Here's another option, as it appears that AIG is emerging and the
stock starts to rally, if your parents can buy it, they should.
Buying 1000 shares of a rising AIG at say $10/share will decrease the
basis of their current 2000 shares.  The basis drops to $42 for all
with such a purchase 2000x$58 + 1000x$10 = $126,000/3000 = $42.  Thus
it makes it an easier task to get to break even IF the stock is then
forecasted to recover some of its ground.  Be sure to read up on
what's happening as it happens though.

If your parents have substantial income elsewhere and need the
writeoff, they could take the loss and use it to offset gains on other
investments ("as if" in this market)!

As for BAC, your parents are not as in dire straits.  They are off
about $10 share as I write this.  Unless it is absolutely necessary to
do so, I wouldn't sell this stock yet.  BAC will be a survivor in all
of this, and as such, ultimately this may be a very good investment as
business drives to the survivors.


 
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 More options Sep 18 2008, 7:43 pm
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:43:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
A great response to you from maleb... As a side note, neither of your
parents are to blame, and imagine the stress your dad is going
through! usually relationships argue about money, but this isn't your
dad's fault.

Maybe you should let your mom read this posting and hopefully she'll
understand that not many people saw this coming. And placing blame is
just putting a heavier weight on your dads shoulders! But the advice
above should help, and maybe your parents should look for a different
investment strategy in the meantime.


 
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From: anna.carte...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:42:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Thank you all for the response. We're very stressed out now because
that money was intended for my two little brother''s college next
year.

My mom is very emotional right now. We can't average down because we
have no more to put in. From $2 going back to $58 it seems very
impossible now even though it's up today :(

Anyway, thanks guys. All the best.


 
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 More options Sep 18 2008, 10:59 pm
From: mcgille...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
If you have nothing to lose anyway, and all hope is lost anyway - go
for a homerun.  dump the shares, take the cash and buy January 2010
call options in the 15-25 range.  more than a few wil disagree here.

 
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From: medv...@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:04:03 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Anna, there is a lesson here.  Never trust the banks!!  They have
always been wolves in sheep's clothing!  Who on earth would let your
parents do this or did they move on this without any consultation?

Tell them to sell whatever is left, go to LasVegas and chill!


 
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 More options Sep 18 2008, 11:08 pm
From: Sung...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58

mcgille...@gmail.com wrote:
> If you have nothing to lose anyway, and all hope is lost anyway - go
> for a homerun.  dump the shares, take the cash and buy January 2010
> call options in the 15-25 range.  more than a few wil disagree here.

Stongly Disagree?  You bet (pun intended).

 
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From: Sung...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:17:40 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Anna.  Here's a FREE investment advice worth more than you'll ever
know.

As with any investing, always think long term (like to the tune of
eternity).

It's not about what you make or what you invest anymore, it's about
how you spend the money that you do have.
1) Your brothers will have to get jobs and attend community college.
2) Cut out the vacations and invest in a good marriage counselor
(really, I'm not joking, something like this can ruin a marriage).
3) Count your blessings.  This is a great time to explore what really
matters in life: God, family, friends and freedom. Thank God we still
have these.
4) Go invest in a great mutual fund with someone who knows what they
are doing.  The greatest are Sequoia Fund, Dodge & Cox, and my
personal favorite Fairholme, run by Bruce Berkowtiz.
5) Whatever you sell, take a percentage of it and give it to someone
who REALLY needs it, like someone who is homeless or a not-for-
profit.  It'll show you HOW MUCH YOU REALLY do have.
6) Read the bible.   It actually still contains the best investment
advice in all the world: invest in eternity.  A good third of all
Jesus' examples has to do with money: I guess because money/investing
is a universal concept?

Well, that's all I got. it's getting late. It's tough losing money,
but remember you can't take money with you when you die. It's just a
thing.  It comes, it goes, but eternity is forever.


 
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 More options Sep 18 2008, 11:29 pm
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:29:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
I am very sorry to hear that.

One option I can suggest is that, lower the average price down when it
is still low.
It is just hard to predict the market these days since you just need
to expect unexpected.
I strongly believe that your dad is not the one to be blamed.


 
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
For cryin' out loud, the last thing poor Anna and her parents need is
another Bible Thumpin' Mutual Fund Salesman.   Get your parents away
from their misery for a while and send them off to Vegas with their
cash out!!!

 
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 More options Sep 18 2008, 11:31 pm
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
- If the stock had risen would your mother still be upset? If your
father has earned money in the markets before, a return to those same
exact sound investing conditions should earn your family money in the
future.

The bad news: AIG will never recover to 58$. It wouldn't be wise to
sell at the moment as the stock has been hammered along with the
entire financial sector. There should still be some life left to it.
However, now that the government has its grips on the firm, they will
run a very lean and tight ship. This means layoffs, reduced
compensation, reduced employee benefits, and an overall gloomy
organization in comparison to healthy competitors. A flight in top
talent will mean a reduction in earnings, investing activities...etc.
A loss in confidence will also be a huge shock to AIG's investor
base.

Keep the stock and do the research, there might be advantages to
purchasing more shares if the numbers work out. I personally think
it's a toxic investment for the reasons described above.


 
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 More options Sep 19 2008, 1:02 am
From: vog...@mac.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:02:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Anna, Don't listen to medv>>>I think he works the underground here.
He's been online all day spreading hateful doom & gloom when it's not
that way. There is always a cycle...then you throw in outright greed
and it magnifies. Please listen to every other post and just jump over
the medv ones!
That's MY advice. (I also believe AIG will get to $58, it'll take
quite awhile, but it'll get there.)


 
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:13:33 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
For me..
If the stock goes down 10 percent from buying price, I sell.
If it goes up 20 percent , I sell it too.
BOA will be very strong after acquiring MER.
Dont worry with BAC. It will go to 100 in 5-10 years

 
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From: indi...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:26:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Hmm... I personally think BOA absorbing MER was a horrible long-term
acquisition. What incentive will top performers from MER have to
remain with BOA after the merger is finalized? The culture couldn't be
more different and the pay grades more polarizing. BOA is a lean south-
western bank that's going to chop all of the perks and pay that MER
employees are accustomed to. If that doesn't happen, think about the
problems it will create for consistent performers from BOA with lower
salaries. At the end of the day, it's the employees that make a
company, especially a financial one. Just my 2 cents.

 
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:12:16 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
MER is 3rd biggest financial firm. they got hit now and hurt.
But they have 16000 financial advisor in the us.
As retail broker, they would give BOA profit.
We will see. I think MER will stregnthen boa. like what BSC does with
JPM


 
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Vegas baby! Funny as hell medv!

____
Also...I have a feeling Anna is some Fat middle aged dude who is just
getting off on people feeling sorry for him. BUT, Anna if you are
really who you say you are (and I hope you ARE) than SORRY to hear
about your hard times.


 
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
maleb, knows what he/she is talking about.

Personally own both and would buy both stocks at this time they are
both great companies and really really cheap at these prices.


 
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
I must remind anyone that does not remember. After 9/11 when the
market crashed it recovered everything in 60 days.

We are going through a tough time in the financial and housing
industries and the government has been sitting on their hands as
usual. Because of their inaction they have had to bail out Bears,
Fannie, Freddy, and AIG at a cost much greater then if they had acted
sooner.

On top of this SEC has allowed the market to run wild by not enforcing
rules, something else the government does very well..

Things are changing and so will the market..


 
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 More options Sep 25 2008, 9:07 am
From: "skye....@gmail.com" <skye....@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:07:08 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: My parents bought AIG at $58
Was digging up old threads and see how people react to the fall of aig
last week.

For those who bought @ 5+, dont dismay, think of those who bought that
higher than you..

I seriously think this stock has the potential to reach at least 7-9
once the 700bn is out.

in @ 4.88


 
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