> Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> be supportive.

> Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> $80.00 a barrell again.

> The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> S&P as UP 6.701.

> More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> already traded in the directed market.

> The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> useful:
> ++++++
>   Standard
> R3 7.99667
> R2 7.83333
> R1 7.63667
> PP 7.47333
> S1 7.27667
> S2 7.11333
> S3 6.91667
> Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> ++++++

> The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> economy is recovering.

> Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> high can she make it today and where will she close.

> Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?

> Think Tank & All~

> Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> +++++++++

> Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> Offering
> Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> the
> $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> of
> Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> corporate purposes. "

> +++++++++

> Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > be supportive.

> > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > already traded in the directed market.

> > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > useful:
> > ++++++
> >   Standard
> > R3 7.99667
> > R2 7.83333
> > R1 7.63667
> > PP 7.47333
> > S1 7.27667
> > S2 7.11333
> > S3 6.91667
> > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > ++++++

> > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > economy is recovering.

> > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Think Tank & All~

> Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> approximately $9.30 per share".

> Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> common?

> On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > +++++++++

> > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > Offering
> > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > the
> > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > of
> > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > corporate purposes. "

> > +++++++++

> > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > be supportive.

> > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > useful:
> > > ++++++
> > >   Standard
> > > R3 7.99667
> > > R2 7.83333
> > > R1 7.63667
> > > PP 7.47333
> > > S1 7.27667
> > > S2 7.11333
> > > S3 6.91667
> > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > ++++++

> > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > > economy is recovering.

> > > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Think Tank & All~

> Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> approximately $9.30 per share".

> Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> common?

> On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > +++++++++

> > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > Offering
> > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > the
> > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > of
> > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > corporate purposes. "

> > +++++++++

> > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > be supportive.

> > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > useful:
> > > ++++++
> > >   Standard
> > > R3 7.99667
> > > R2 7.83333
> > > R1 7.63667
> > > PP 7.47333
> > > S1 7.27667
> > > S2 7.11333
> > > S3 6.91667
> > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > ++++++

> > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > > economy is recovering.

> > > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Think Tank & All~

> Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> unopposed.

> At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> down to $7.31.

> On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > common?

> > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > +++++++++

> > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > Offering
> > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > the
> > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > of
> > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > corporate purposes. "

> > > +++++++++

> > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > > be supportive.

> > > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > > useful:
> > > > ++++++
> > > >   Standard
> > > > R3 7.99667
> > > > R2 7.83333
> > > > R1 7.63667
> > > > PP 7.47333
> > > > S1 7.27667
> > > > S2 7.11333
> > > > S3 6.91667
> > > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > > ++++++

> > > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > > > economy is recovering.

> > > > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > > > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > > > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > > > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > > > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > > > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > > > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > > > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Think Tank & All~

> Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> unopposed.

> At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> down to $7.31.

> On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > common?

> > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > +++++++++

> > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > Offering
> > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > the
> > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > of
> > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > corporate purposes. "

> > > +++++++++

> > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > > be supportive.

> > > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > > useful:
> > > > ++++++
> > > >   Standard
> > > > R3 7.99667
> > > > R2 7.83333
> > > > R1 7.63667
> > > > PP 7.47333
> > > > S1 7.27667
> > > > S2 7.11333
> > > > S3 6.91667
> > > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > > ++++++

> > > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > > > economy is recovering.

> > > > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > > > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > > > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > > > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > > > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > > > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > > > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > > > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> w,

> Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> thats why I posted question earlier
> Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> day trade
> Thoughts

> is today any different from yesterday?
> really
> 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> pressure P.M.
> NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> ....................

> side notes News;
> Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> 30 days ... done

> .................................

> Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> Bet you a beer,
> money is safe here
> All in !
> in the markets till 1120's s& p

> bull bear ratio
> trough ed
> unsure of 11-3 #'s
> some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> ...........

> nissan
> 922M profit, better guidance
> tm 700M loss
> honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> www.mffais.com
> 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> changes, new holders of F
> couple listed below
> 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> 547,029
> 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> 245,645

> GM - its all good, no hate here
> modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> completive
> F gets there better share vs. others
> Keeping opel, is good,
> Further upside to volvo

> On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > unopposed.

> > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > down to $7.31.

> > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > common?

> > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > +++++++++

> > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > Offering
> > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > the
> > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > of
> > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > > corporate purposes. "

> > > > +++++++++

> > > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > > > be supportive.

> > > > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > > > useful:
> > > > > ++++++
> > > > >   Standard
> > > > > R3 7.99667
> > > > > R2 7.83333
> > > > > R1 7.63667
> > > > > PP 7.47333
> > > > > S1 7.27667
> > > > > S2 7.11333
> > > > > S3 6.91667
> > > > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > > > ++++++

> > > > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > > > > economy is recovering.

> > > > > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > > > > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > > > > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > > > > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > > > > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > > > > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > > > > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > > > > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Hey edin~

> To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> place for a quick
> day trade"

> Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> as "truth".

> That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> people as dense as me.

> On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > w,

> > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > thats why I posted question earlier
> > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > day trade
> > Thoughts

> > is today any different from yesterday?
> > really
> > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > pressure P.M.
> > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > ....................

> > side notes News;
> > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > 30 days ... done

> > .................................

> > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > Bet you a beer,
> > money is safe here
> > All in !
> > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > bull bear ratio
> > trough ed
> > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > ...........

> > nissan
> > 922M profit, better guidance
> > tm 700M loss
> > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> >www.mffais.com
> > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > changes, new holders of F
> > couple listed below
> > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > 547,029
> > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > 245,645

> > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > completive
> > F gets there better share vs. others
> > Keeping opel, is good,
> > Further upside to volvo

> > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > unopposed.

> > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > down to $7.31.

> > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > common?

> > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > Offering
> > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > the
> > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > of
> > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > > > corporate purposes. "

> > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > > > > be supportive.

> > > > > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > > > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > > > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > > > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > > > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > > > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > > > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > > > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > > > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > > > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > > > > useful:
> > > > > > ++++++
> > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > R3 7.99667
> > > > > > R2 7.83333
> > > > > > R1 7.63667
> > > > > > PP 7.47333
> > > > > > S1 7.27667
> > > > > > S2 7.11333
> > > > > > S3 6.91667
> > > > > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > > > > ++++++

> > > > > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > > > > > economy is recovering.

> > > > > > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > > > > > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > > > > > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > > > > > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > > > > > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > > > > > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > > > > > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > > > > > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> w,

> .33 +7.31=
> 7.64 by noon

> I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> Facts are listed in my links above!

> should you or anyone not like my approach-
> I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> discussing high 6's
> I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> They always come true
> THEY just become fact later

> On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hey edin~

> > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > place for a quick
> > day trade"

> > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > as "truth".

> > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > people as dense as me.

> > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > w,

> > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > day trade
> > > Thoughts

> > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > really
> > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > pressure P.M.
> > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > ....................

> > > side notes News;
> > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > 30 days ... done

> > > .................................

> > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > Bet you a beer,
> > > money is safe here
> > > All in !
> > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > bull bear ratio
> > > trough ed
> > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > ...........

> > > nissan
> > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > tm 700M loss
> > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > >www.mffais.com
> > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > changes, new holders of F
> > > couple listed below
> > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > 547,029
> > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > 245,645

> > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > completive
> > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > Further upside to volvo

> > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > unopposed.

> > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > common?

> > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > > > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > > > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > > > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > > > > corporate purposes. "

> > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > > > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > > > > > be supportive.

> > > > > > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > > > > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > > > > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > > > > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > > > > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > > > > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > > > > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > > > > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > > > > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > > > > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > > > > > useful:
> > > > > > > ++++++
> > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > R3 7.99667
> > > > > > > R2 7.83333
> > > > > > > R1 7.63667
> > > > > > > PP 7.47333
> > > > > > > S1 7.27667
> > > > > > > S2 7.11333
> > > > > > > S3 6.91667
> > > > > > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > > > > > ++++++

> > > > > > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > > > > > > economy is recovering.

> > > > > > > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > > > > > > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > > > > > > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > > > > > > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > > > > > > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > > > > > > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > > > > > > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > > > > > > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> edin,

> Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> high reaching above $7.64.

> Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> below where I thought they could get it.

> The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> "Driver", so far, does not.

> Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> giving the facts that shame them.

> Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> later are too hard to assess.

> On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > w,

> > .33 +7.31=
> > 7.64 by noon

> > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > discussing high 6's
> > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > They always come true
> > THEY just become fact later

> > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Hey edin~

> > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > place for a quick
> > > day trade"

> > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > as "truth".

> > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > people as dense as me.

> > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > w,

> > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > day trade
> > > > Thoughts

> > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > really
> > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > ....................

> > > > side notes News;
> > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > .................................

> > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > money is safe here
> > > > All in !
> > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > trough ed
> > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > ...........

> > > > nissan
> > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > couple listed below
> > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > 547,029
> > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > 245,645

> > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > completive
> > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > common?

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > > > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > > > > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > > > > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > > > > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > > > > > corporate purposes. "

> > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > > > > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > > > > > > be supportive.

> > > > > > > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > > > > > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > > > > > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > > > > > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > > > > > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > > > > > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > > > > > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > > > > > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > > > > > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > > > > > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > > > > > > useful:
> > > > > > > > ++++++
> > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > R3 7.99667
> > > > > > > > R2 7.83333
> > > > > > > > R1 7.63667
> > > > > > > > PP 7.47333
> > > > > > > > S1 7.27667
> > > > > > > > S2 7.11333
> > > > > > > > S3 6.91667
> > > > > > > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > > > > > > ++++++

> > > > > > > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the
> > > > > > > > economy is recovering.

> > > > > > > > Speaking of news, it will be dominated today, or at least we think it
> > > > > > > > will be, by the Fed statement due out later today.

> > > > > > > > So, as always, REALLY interested in what you think the day will bring
> > > > > > > > for those of us interested in F.  In particular, where will trading
> > > > > > > > open in the regular markets, what will the bottom of the dip be, how
> > > > > > > > high can she make it today and where will she close.

> > > > > > > > Each of you can share your thoughts ~ and PLEASE do.

> > > > > > > > Looks like a LONG way to R2 ~ can we make it today?- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> months.

> On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > edin,

> > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > high reaching above $7.64.

> > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > below where I thought they could get it.

> > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > giving the facts that shame them.

> > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > later are too hard to assess.

> > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > w,

> > > .33 +7.31=
> > > 7.64 by noon

> > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > discussing high 6's
> > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > They always come true
> > > THEY just become fact later

> > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Hey edin~

> > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > place for a quick
> > > > day trade"

> > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > as "truth".

> > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > w,

> > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > day trade
> > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > really
> > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > ....................

> > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > .................................

> > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > All in !
> > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > trough ed
> > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > ...........

> > > > > nissan
> > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > 547,029
> > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > 245,645

> > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > completive
> > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > > > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > > > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > > > > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > > > > > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > > > > > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > > > > > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > > > > > > corporate purposes. "

> > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > > > > > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > > > > > > > be supportive.

> > > > > > > > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > > > > > > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > > > > > > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > > > > > > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45 to get above
> > > > > > > > > $80.00 a barrell again.

> > > > > > > > > The DJIA futures at this hour are being reported as UP 61 pts. and the
> > > > > > > > > S&P as UP 6.701.

> > > > > > > > > More importantly, F at 8:20 eastern traded at $7.46, with 48K shares
> > > > > > > > > already traded in the directed market.

> > > > > > > > > The Pivot Point numbers for F for today, for those that find them
> > > > > > > > > useful:
> > > > > > > > > ++++++
> > > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > > R3 7.99667
> > > > > > > > > R2 7.83333
> > > > > > > > > R1 7.63667
> > > > > > > > > PP 7.47333
> > > > > > > > > S1 7.27667
> > > > > > > > > S2 7.11333
> > > > > > > > > S3 6.91667
> > > > > > > > > Observation: BEARISH with a closing price between pivot point and S1.
> > > > > > > > > ++++++

> > > > > > > > > The news features a story that the auto sales reports show that the

> Hey Toronto~

> THANKS!

> Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> HIGHER.

> Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> will be really HURT if the price rises.

> I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> company's performance would warrant.

> Quite a show so far today, eh?

> 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > months.

> > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > edin,

> > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > w,

> > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > They always come true
> > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > day trade"

> > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > w,

> > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > completive
> > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > > > > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > > > > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > > > > > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > > > > > > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > > > > > > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > > > > > > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > > > > > > > corporate purposes. "

> > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > > > > > > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Good Morning, Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > FINALLY it looks like we have a day when the general environment will
> > > > > > > > > > be supportive.

> > > > > > > > > > Overnight Asia was UP nicely ~ from the Nikkei's +.4% to the Hang
> > > > > > > > > > Seng's UP 1.7%.  Europe is even stronger.  At the moment the major
> > > > > > > > > > European markets range from London's UP .96% to the CAC 40'S up
> > > > > > > > > > 1.96%.  Oil prices are responding as well ~ UP $.45

> Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hey Toronto~

> > THANKS!

> > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > HIGHER.

> > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > company's performance would warrant.

> > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > months.

> > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > edin,

> > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > w,

> > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > They always come true
> > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > > > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > > > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > > > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > > > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > > > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > > > > > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > > > > > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > > > > > > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > > > > > > > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > > > > > > > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > > > > > > > > convertible notes offering are

> Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hey Toronto~

> > THANKS!

> > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > HIGHER.

> > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > company's performance would warrant.

> > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > months.

> > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > edin,

> > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > w,

> > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > They always come true
> > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > > > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > > > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > > > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > > > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > > > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > > > > > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > > > > > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > > > > > > > Lynch,

> t,

> canadian sales out? 20K or so for Oct

> true, very interesting.
> to you -  does $9.30 mean anything...
> to me, its like F bulls are trying a bottom pull of the stock
> upward...
> have you heard of this prior

> in next several days dust should clear
> BUT wow.
> those march calls - Im adding asap
> buy of a lifetime
> FCL
> or more a little in the money FCJ
> unsure here

> .......................

> wijram,
> its all good!

> empty promises or not
> Obviously f goal, and overall market goal for F to get it over $10-
> fund manager, MM goal .. they sleep better in double digit stock price

> so as a group... its FAIR game..
> to PREDICT a news event!

> someone predict
> something negative, thats ok too

> again no worries
> I love you too

> On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Hey Toronto~

> > > THANKS!

> > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > HIGHER.

> > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > > company's performance would warrant.

> > > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > > months.

> > > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > edin,

> > > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > w,

> > > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > > They always come true
> > > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be

> Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hey Toronto~

> > THANKS!

> > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > HIGHER.

> > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > company's performance would warrant.

> > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > months.

> > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > edin,

> > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > w,

> > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > They always come true
> > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > > > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > > > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > > > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > > > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > > > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per share. The
> > > > > > > > > > conversion rate and the conversion price are subject to adjustment
> > > > > > > > > > upon the occurrence of certain events. Barclays Capital, BofA Merrill
> > > > > > > > > > Lynch, Citi, Deutsche Bank Securities, Goldman Sachs & Co., J.P.
> > > > > > > > > > Morgan, Morgan Stanley and RBS are acting as joint book-running
> > > > > > > > > > managers of the notes offering. Net proceeds to Ford from the senior
> > > > > > > > > > convertible notes offering are expected to be used for general
> > > > > > > > > > corporate purposes. "

> > > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > > Also, GM has apparently decided to NOT sell OPEL and Nissan is
> > > > > > > > > > reported as having returned to profitability as well.

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:32 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Good

> Guys~
> My opinion from a couple of months ago still stands true (to me)

> I originally said F would hammer earnings
> Price would trade up in anticipation
> Price would then pop at earnings
> Price would drift down on sales results for October
> Price will drift down on November sales results
> Price would then trade sideways to south until December sales results
> (Jan 10 release)

> Jan 10 "all clear" sounds and we start our actual turn toward $12 and
> beyond

> I don’t think I have been wrong just didn’t get as much of a pop on
> earnings as I thought.

> HOLD tight, or at least trade in and out now through mid to late
> December.

> It will all be OK!

> On Nov 4, 10:03 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > t,

> > canadian sales out? 20K or so for Oct

> > true, very interesting.
> > to you -  does $9.30 mean anything...
> > to me, its like F bulls are trying a bottom pull of the stock
> > upward...
> > have you heard of this prior

> > in next several days dust should clear
> > BUT wow.
> > those march calls - Im adding asap
> > buy of a lifetime
> > FCL
> > or more a little in the money FCJ
> > unsure here

> > .......................

> > wijram,
> > its all good!

> > empty promises or not
> > Obviously f goal, and overall market goal for F to get it over $10-
> > fund manager, MM goal .. they sleep better in double digit stock price

> > so as a group... its FAIR game..
> > to PREDICT a news event!

> > someone predict
> > something negative, thats ok too

> > again no worries
> > I love you too

> > On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Hey Toronto~

> > > > THANKS!

> > > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > > HIGHER.

> > > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > > > company's performance would warrant.

> > > > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > > > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > > > months.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > edin,

> > > > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > > > They always come true
> > > > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> $25.00 a share? Are you serious? When are you thinking that kind of
> price might happen?
> On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Hey Toronto~

> > > THANKS!

> > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > HIGHER.

> > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > > company's performance would warrant.

> > > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > > months.

> > > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > edin,

> > > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > w,

> > > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > > They always come true
> > > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > > > > > > per year. Ford has granted the underwriters an option to purchase an
> > > > > > > > > > > additional $375 million in aggregate principal amount of notes. The
> > > > > > > > > > > notes will be convertible, under certain circumstances, into shares
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > Ford common stock, cash or a combination thereof, at Ford's election.
> > > > > > > > > > > The initial conversion rate is 107.5269 shares of Ford common stock
> > > > > > > > > > > per $1,000 principal amount of notes, which is equivalent to an
> > > > > > > > > > > initial conversion price of approximately $9.30 per

> I believe, if the economy slowly gets out of this tremendous hole
> we've been in for the past year and a half, that F could hit the $20 p/
> s range.  It's been there before and I think with current management,
> which is doing a tremendous job during the worst economic conditions
> since the GD, we should hit that mark within two years at most.
> Market share is increasing every month, great lineup, forward thinking
> management, improving economy, improving margins, cheaper cost
> structure.

> On Nov 4, 10:29 am, Denno <dennislr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > $25.00 a share? Are you serious? When are you thinking that kind of
> > price might happen?
> > On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Hey Toronto~

> > > > THANKS!

> > > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > > HIGHER.

> > > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > > > company's performance would warrant.

> > > > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > > > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > > > months.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > edin,

> > > > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > > > They always come true
> > > > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5 billion will be offered, an increase from
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > $2 billion previously announced. The notes will be senior unsecured
> > > > > > > > > > > > obligations of Ford and will bear interest at a fixed rate of 4.25%
> > > > > > > > > > > > per year. Ford

> wijram -
> Can you explain this to me? I don't understand how this could be the
> case

> "Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> will be really HURT if the price rises. "

> Thanks.

> On Nov 4, 10:37 am, jdl51 <jdlin...@comcast.net> wrote:

> > I believe, if the economy slowly gets out of this tremendous hole
> > we've been in for the past year and a half, that F could hit the $20 p/
> > s range.  It's been there before and I think with current management,
> > which is doing a tremendous job during the worst economic conditions
> > since the GD, we should hit that mark within two years at most.
> > Market share is increasing every month, great lineup, forward thinking
> > management, improving economy, improving margins, cheaper cost
> > structure.

> > On Nov 4, 10:29 am, Denno <dennislr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > $25.00 a share? Are you serious? When are you thinking that kind of
> > > price might happen?
> > > On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > > > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > > > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > > > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > > > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > > > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > > > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > > > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > > > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Hey Toronto~

> > > > > THANKS!

> > > > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > > > HIGHER.

> > > > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > > > > company's performance would warrant.

> > > > > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > > > > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > > > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > > > > months.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > edin,

> > > > > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > > > > They always come true
> > > > > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > > > > F gets

> Ok - here are the full numbers with market share data - US and
> Canada.  Note my prediction of Ford (with Volvo) at 16.5 - 16.9% was
> pretty close.  Volvo let me down mainly as Ford was right where I said
> - high 15s to 16% - but I expected Volvo to have big upswing to .8% -
> but only hit .53%.  That's ok though - since Volvo "may" be gone (he
> says mischievously), it's Ford we really care about and that hit 15.8%

> Company Sales   Mkt Share
> GM      176,632 21.05%
> Toyota  152,165 18.14%
> Ford    132,488 15.79%
> Volvo   4,437   0.53%
> Audi    7,358   0.88%
> BMW     20,649  2.46%
> Chrysler        65,803  7.84%
> Honda   85,502  10.19%
> Hyundai 31,005  3.70%
> KIA     22,490  2.68%
> Isuzu   251     0.03%
> Jaguar  3,042   0.36%
> Maserati        111     0.01%
> Mazda   15,068  1.80%
> Mercedes        18,854  2.25%
> Mitsubishi      3,867   0.46%
> Nissan  60,115  7.17%
> Porsche 1,642   0.20%
> SAAB    513     0.06%
> Subaru  18,169  2.17%
> Suzuki  1,745   0.21%
> VW      17,037  2.03%
> All     838,943
> Unadjusted Annuallized Rate     10,067,316
> Estimated Seasonally Adjusted Annualized Rate (SAAR) 10.48 million
> (I used an estimated weighted factor [my own] of 0.96 as opposed to
> the 4 different factors for domestic autos, foreigh autos, domestic
> light trucks and foreign light trucks as I don't have the breakdown of
> actual sales between trucks and autos)

> For Canada:

> GM      18,818  15.48%   ↓ 33%
> Ford    18,187  14.96%   ↑ 20%
> Toyota  17,358  14.28%
> Chrysler        14,215  11.70%
> Honda   9,224   7.59%
> Hyundai 8,415   6.92%
> Nissan  5,912   4.86%
> Mazda   5,612   4.62%
> KIA     3,603   2.96%
> VW      3,545   2.92%
> Subaru  2,486   2.05%
> BMW     2,310   1.90%
> Mercedes        2,199   1.81%
> Mitsubishi      1,452   1.19%
> Audi    1,100   0.91%
> All others      7,100   5.84%
> All     121,536

> On Nov 4, 10:47 am, JasGot <jas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > wijram -
> > Can you explain this to me? I don't understand how this could be the
> > case

> > "Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > will be really HURT if the price rises. "

> > Thanks.

> > On Nov 4, 10:37 am, jdl51 <jdlin...@comcast.net> wrote:

> > > I believe, if the economy slowly gets out of this tremendous hole
> > > we've been in for the past year and a half, that F could hit the $20 p/
> > > s range.  It's been there before and I think with current management,
> > > which is doing a tremendous job during the worst economic conditions
> > > since the GD, we should hit that mark within two years at most.
> > > Market share is increasing every month, great lineup, forward thinking
> > > management, improving economy, improving margins, cheaper cost
> > > structure.

> > > On Nov 4, 10:29 am, Denno <dennislr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > $25.00 a share? Are you serious? When are you thinking that kind of
> > > > price might happen?
> > > > On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > > > > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > > > > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > > > > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > > > > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > > > > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > > > > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > > > > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Hey Toronto~

> > > > > > THANKS!

> > > > > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > > > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > > > > HIGHER.

> > > > > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > > > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > > > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > > > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > > > > > company's performance would warrant.

> > > > > > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > > > > > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > > > > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > > > > > months.

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > edin,

> > > > > > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > > > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > > > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > > > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > > > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > > > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > > > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > > > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > > > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > > > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > > > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > > > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > > > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > > > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > > > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > > > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > > > > > They always come true
> > > > > > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > > > > > tm 700M loss

> $25.00 a share? Are you serious? When are you thinking that kind of
> price might happen?
> On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Hey Toronto~

> > > THANKS!

> > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > HIGHER.

> > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > > company's performance would warrant.

> > > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > > months.

> > > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > edin,

> > > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > w,

> > > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > > They always come true
> > > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > Im unsure exact effects of $9.30 pricing
> > > > > > > > thats why I posted question earlier
> > > > > > > > Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in place for a quick
> > > > > > > > day trade
> > > > > > > > Thoughts

> > > > > > > > is today any different from yesterday?
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > 6.6M volume is a ton ... but pace seems to be the same as yesterday
> > > > > > > > & down only 10cents- actually amazing
> > > > > > > > Can you think of any other stock, which would hold up with that sell
> > > > > > > > pressure P.M.
> > > > > > > > NOT even aapl, would hold 1.5% decline p.m. w/ that volume

> > > > > > > > ....................

> > > > > > > > side notes News;
> > > > > > > > Predictions, Mulally & misc exec BUY stock at these levels asap
> > > > > > > > F pays of some Bonds in open market nearterm
> > > > > > > > Bank holding co. approval Industrial Bank approval
> > > > > > > > 30 days ... done

> > > > > > > > .................................

> > > > > > > > Im calling a recent bottom to overall markets
> > > > > > > > 1036 s& p off to 1125 in 11 days
> > > > > > > > Bet you a beer,
> > > > > > > > money is safe here
> > > > > > > > All in !
> > > > > > > > in the markets till 1120's s& p

> > > > > > > > bull bear ratio
> > > > > > > > trough ed
> > > > > > > > unsure of 11-3 #'s
> > > > > > > > some look at this for contrarian bet, but
> > > > > > > > look at that charts climb just as markets havehttp://www.market-harmonics.com/free-charts/sentiment/investors_intel...

> > > > > > > > ...........

> > > > > > > > nissan
> > > > > > > > 922M profit, better guidance
> > > > > > > > tm 700M loss
> > > > > > > > honda? unsure was it 300M loss or profit for the q

> > > > > > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssAutoTruckManufacturers/idUST322507...

> > > > > > > >www.mffais.com
> > > > > > > > 11-3 report near 1M net added shares of F
> > > > > > > > again granted dealyed but for 2 month period not much there to report
> > > > > > > > changes, new holders of F
> > > > > > > > couple listed below
> > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Apg All Pensions Group Institution
> > > > > > > > 547,029
> > > > > > > > 2009-11-03 2009-09-30 13F-HR Omerset Asset Management Llc Institution
> > > > > > > > 245,645

> > > > > > > > GM - its all good, no hate here
> > > > > > > > modest issue, there current MS must shrink a drop... to be more
> > > > > > > > completive
> > > > > > > > F gets there better share vs. others
> > > > > > > > Keeping opel, is good,
> > > > > > > > Further upside to volvo

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > Whew, it's UGLY in F now.

> > > > > > > > > Someone, and it is definitely a "player" is ravaging F and doing it
> > > > > > > > > unopposed.

> > > > > > > > > At 8:30 eastern, over 3.5MM shares traded already and the price is
> > > > > > > > > down to $7.31.

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:44 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Did you notice, in the story about the convertible notes posted
> > > > > > > > > > earlier, the following line, "initial conversion price of
> > > > > > > > > > approximately $9.30 per share".

> > > > > > > > > > Does that give anyone an idea of the anticipated future value of F
> > > > > > > > > > common?

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 6:34 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > > Should have included this in the news section of the opening post:

> > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++

> > > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company Announces Pricing Results of Convertible Notes
> > > > > > > > > > > Offering
> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 Nov 2009 07:47pm EST
> > > > > > > > > > > Ford Motor Company announced the pricing of its offering of senior
> > > > > > > > > > > convertible notes due November 15, 2016. Notes in the aggregate
> > > > > > > > > > > principal amount of $2.5