> JT~

> Fortunately, (and said with the GREATEST RESPECT), as you said
> yourself, you are best at calling the intraday moves of a stock in
> NORMAL circumstances and are much less effective in calling the moves
> of stocks in highly unusual circumstances.

> That today is an day of unusal circumstances is a profound
> understatement.

> All that said before noting that the noon hour bust has taken F to
> $7.43 ~ so far.

> While I write of $7.74 for today with a tone of yearning, I do
> realistically think that it will continue to move higher than $7.43.
> Think it entirely possible that Car Guy's 7.59 will be surpassed.

> On Nov 4, 11:20 am, JT <jaytbe...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> >  And away we go Boo Boo, What have you got in that picnic basket
> > today? Let me see, I think there is a 7.22 down there at the bottom?
> > can't quite tell, but its 7.2something....  A child's music selection
> > for your thoughts...... Hope you enjoy the ride, hope you enjoy the
> > ride, clickety clack, hope you enjoy the ride!...from choo choo soul,
> > my kid's favorite....... JMO JT

> > On Nov 4, 9:07 am, JT <jaytbe...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > > That's not the crazy part, the crazy part is that we have now traded
> > > over a 100 Mil shares and the price is going down 11:22 am 2.44Mil
> > > shares traded and it didn't move more than a penny That's F'in crazy,
> > > Sorry but this is gapping down into the low 7's by weekend. Wanna hear
> > > something real crazy, this week I'm making more in construction than
> > > the market, Past months its been the other way around.  JMO JT Oh and
> > > the close is below 7.3 today in my opinion Doh! JT

> > > On Nov 4, 8:29 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > Wow - passes the 100 million mark well before noon.  Less than two
> > > > hours of trading in fact.

> > > > On Nov 4, 11:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > Now you may understand the song I posted two weeks ago:

> > > > > You can read it in the tea leaves,
> > > > > And it's written in the sand,
> > > > > How we found cash by the car load
> > > > > In the Ford and Volvo land

> > > > > Tell the shorters we're all happy,
> > > > > And it's something they will never know
> > > > > How we found cash by the car load
> > > > > By being long in Ford, doh!!!

> > > > > On Nov 4, 11:13 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Denno,

> > > > > > It's in the cards.

> > > > > > Ford is now coming into its "steady state" of structural costs
> > > > > > reductions and matching production to sales journey that Mulally
> > > > > > embarked on 4 years ago.  They have pretty much driven out all the
> > > > > > waste costs they can that are easy and medium easy to achieve.  They
> > > > > > will continue to make progress, but not as pronounced.

> > > > > > If in that state they can achieve a billion dollar quarterly profit at
> > > > > > a 10.5 million SAAR (and there were no significant unusual items in
> > > > > > there to my knowledge) - that's a $4 billion annual profit company.
> > > > > > At a 15 million SAAR rate and the corresponding increases in vehicle
> > > > > > sales around the rest of the world, given Ford's operating margin
> > > > > > leverage, I believe $2.5 billion a quarter is NOT out of question for
> > > > > > Ford. That's a $10 billion a year profit and that should be Ford's
> > > > > > "average position" once we achieve the 15 million SAAR.  If we take a
> > > > > > PE ratio of 8 - that's an $80 billion market cap. (I do believe I am
> > > > > > being conservative in all of this). Given 3.22 billion shares (I am
> > > > > > ignoring the dilution right now) this gives us a $25 per share
> > > > > > company.  My Target Time Frame: 3 - 4 years

> > > > > > Of course all this assumes they can maintain at least a 15%+ market
> > > > > > share.  I am actually betting they go higher once Chrysler dies.

> > > > > > All this is opinion of course,
> > > > > > and you must remember I am
> > > > > > £σκί
> > > > > > IСФΜ

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 10:29 am, Denno <dennislr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > $25.00 a share? Are you serious? When are you thinking that kind of
> > > > > > > price might happen?
> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > > > > > > > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > > > > > > > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > > > > > > > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > > > > > > > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > > > > > > > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > > > > > > > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > > > > > > > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hey Toronto~

> > > > > > > > > THANKS!

> > > > > > > > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > > > > > > > HIGHER.

> > > > > > > > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > > > > > > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > > > > > > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > > > > > > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the
> > > > > > > > > company's performance would warrant.

> > > > > > > > > Quite a show so far today, eh?

> > > > > > > > > 32MM shares traded by 10 minutes into regular market trading.

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:30 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > In case anyone is interested - yesterday's short sales exceeded 46
> > > > > > > > > > million shares - or 24.3% of all sales. That's the highest level in
> > > > > > > > > > months.

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:25 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > edin,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, friend, pictures might help.  You gotta take into
> > > > > > > > > > > consideration the mental capacity of the audience.  Remember, my
> > > > > > > > > > > favorite phrase is, "Duh...?"

> > > > > > > > > > > I agree with your pictogram below.  I WOULD like to think of the day's
> > > > > > > > > > > high reaching above $7.64.

> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, someone is doing a damn good job of forcing it down
> > > > > > > > > > > below where I thought they could get it.

> > > > > > > > > > > The "Suppressor" has an "A-Team" playing today.

> > > > > > > > > > > "Driver", so far, does not.

> > > > > > > > > > > Will that change?  DEFINITELY hope so.

> > > > > > > > > > > As to the comments of TROLLS ~ when they provide open crap, you gotta
> > > > > > > > > > > trust that even someone with my ability understands it to be "CRAP".
> > > > > > > > > > > If it needs to be destroyed, it is best done, for people like me, by
> > > > > > > > > > > giving the facts that shame them.

> > > > > > > > > > > Neither trirades nor "empty postives" do anything for me, except
> > > > > > > > > > > encourage me to not read the post.  The former are "regrettable", the
> > > > > > > > > > > later are too hard to assess.

> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:06 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > > > > > .33 +7.31=
> > > > > > > > > > > > 7.64 by noon

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll draw you some pictures next times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Facts are listed in my links above!

> > > > > > > > > > > > should you or anyone not like my approach-
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll start adding disclaimers, I guess

> > > > > > > > > > > > BUT when I hear TROLLS ... here
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussing high 6's
> > > > > > > > > > > > I like to add possible PREDICTIONS

> > > > > > > > > > > > They always come true
> > > > > > > > > > > > THEY just become fact later

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey edin~

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To echo Car Guy's post of yesterday ~ What the hell are you trying to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > say?  As in, "Im not generally a day trader, but 33 cent looks in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > place for a quick
> > > > > > > > > > > > > day trade"

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Have real trouble trying to separate what you are saying as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "fact" (that the real world would recognize as FACT) and what you see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as "truth".

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That leads me, unfortunately to disregard MUCH of what you write.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even that which, if I could assess it better, I would accept.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not trying to be harsh ~ LOVE your belief in F.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just trying to let you know how you could be even more effective with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > people as dense as me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:50 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > w,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im

> Gotluck, sorry I don't get your question.

> On Nov 4, 1:17 pm, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Is that a seven or a six?? Thats a seven in front, right?? It's
> > $7.xx??

> > On Nov 4, 12:46 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Hi Y'all
> > > Had to step out today.
> > > Looks like controlled load-up. Masters of accumulation without
> > > sparking price jump. The eternal optimist, edge of break-out. Going to
> > > $9 soon. I have skin riding on that guess.

> > > On Nov 4, 12:33 pm, Rooty <justinpaulmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Toronto and TT,

> > > > Do y'all think it is the put buyers who are messing with things right
> > > > now? It just seems that folks who are smart enough to manipulate the
> > > > market would not be stupid enough to sell naked calls. Just seems like
> > > > there is too much risk there. This looks a hell of alot like last
> > > > month where the price was driving to $7 even though there was no
> > > > justification. WHEN WILL THE INSANITY END!!!!  Oh yeah, the day after
> > > > I sell. FUDGE!!!

> > > > On Nov 4, 12:28 pm, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > we are hanging right around the 50 day MA now (7.34) and we'll bounce
> > > > > around here for a while before going higher...

> > > > > On Nov 4, 12:21 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Hey wijram, I agree on the short sellers being hurt the most on share
> > > > > > price rise, but not covered calls.  Those ones are not really hurt -
> > > > > > they just miss out on gains beyond the strike price plus the proceeds
> > > > > > of the call.  The ones who are hurt are the ones that sold naked calls
> > > > > > (and only when the price rises past the exercise price plus the
> > > > > > proceeds of the call sale) or bought puts.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 12:08 pm, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Mike Toce~

> > > > > > > Oh, i agree that there are thousands if not tens of thousands of
> > > > > > > individuals buying and selling Ford today.

> > > > > > > As well as countless institutions.

> > > > > > > However, I also believe that there are specific "players" whose moves
> > > > > > > are so large that they can have an impact that can be seen.

> > > > > > > The "moves" made can be seen ~ more properly stated, their finger-
> > > > > > > prints can be discerned.

> > > > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > > > Wonder what percentage of those shorts are "naked"?

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:01 am, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > don't you all think there are many people 'in the game' to account for
> > > > > > > > that kind of volume?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > Although the volume is slowing, (I find it hard to say that when we
> > > > > > > > > are over 117MM shares traded before the regular markets have been open
> > > > > > > > > 2  and a half hours), we are making some progress.

> > > > > > > > > Can you imagine how high the stakes are for the players in the game we
> > > > > > > > > are watching?

> > > > > > > > > Think one or the other will have to leave the field if they sustain
> > > > > > > > > even the current pace.

> > > > > > > > > Whichever remains in the game would then have a pretty free hand to
> > > > > > > > > drive the price where-ever they want.

> > > > > > > > > Personally, and i know that this is not realistic, i'm hoping for
> > > > > > > > > $7.77.

> > > > > > > > > Yes, today.

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 10:52 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > (iCom)
> > > > > > > > > > Im with you in spirit
> > > > > > > > > > will take the bait, very nice tune & mojo

> > > > > > > > > > Next stop!
> > > > > > > > > > rootys & gotluck's
> > > > > > > > > > profittown

> > > > > > > > > > T
> > > > > > > > > > lets argue how high this can go up
> > > > > > > > > > ok lol

> > > > > > > > > > serious question, can Ford buy F-s with a new sec filing>
> > > > > > > > > > Can they do the same, with buy of open market sale of their bonds>
> > > > > > > > > > F canada slightly better then TM year todate?
> > > > > > > > > > mexico sales the same? seems a tose up

> > > > > > > > > > where rorytate today

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:37 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Methinks I am here by myself.  It's hard to be mishievous when you
> > > > > > > > > > > humans don't play along. ☺

> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:29 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow - passes the 100 million mark well before noon.  Less than two
> > > > > > > > > > > > hours of trading in fact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you may understand the song I posted two weeks ago:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You can read it in the tea leaves,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And it's written in the sand,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How we found cash by the car load
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Ford and Volvo land

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell the shorters we're all happy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And it's something they will never know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How we found cash by the car load
> > > > > > > > > > > > > By being long in Ford, doh!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:13 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denno,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's in the cards.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ford is now coming into its "steady state" of structural costs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reductions and matching production to sales journey that Mulally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked on 4 years ago.  They have pretty much driven out all the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste costs they can that are easy and medium easy to achieve.  They
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will continue to make progress, but not as pronounced.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If in that state they can achieve a billion dollar quarterly profit at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a 10.5 million SAAR (and there were no significant unusual items in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there to my knowledge) - that's a $4 billion annual profit company.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At a 15 million SAAR rate and the corresponding increases in vehicle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sales around the rest of the world, given Ford's operating margin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leverage, I believe $2.5 billion a quarter is NOT out of question for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ford. That's a $10 billion a year profit and that should be Ford's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "average position" once we achieve the 15 million SAAR.  If we take a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PE ratio of 8 - that's an $80 billion market cap. (I do believe I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being conservative in all of this). Given 3.22 billion shares (I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignoring the dilution right now) this gives us a $25 per share
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > company.  My Target Time Frame: 3 - 4 years

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course all this assumes they can maintain at least a 15%+ market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > share.  I am actually betting they go higher once Chrysler dies.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this is opinion of course,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you must remember I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > £σκί
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > IСФΜ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 10:29 am, Denno <dennislr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $25.00 a share? Are you serious? When are you thinking that kind of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > price might happen?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Toronto~

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HIGHER.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somebody must have a HELL of a lot of money on F in a way that they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be really HURT if the price rises.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hoping that, despite the obvious power that they have, that they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will not be able to stop this stock reaching the price that the

> Just goofin'
> It isn't down to six
> and I don't think it will be.
> Almost starting to look like an eight though.
> Sounds like a battle.
> Strapped in too tight.
> Co workers scrambling for duck tape.
> Can't hold me down.

> On Nov 4, 1:23 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Gotluck, sorry I don't get your question.

> > On Nov 4, 1:17 pm, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Is that a seven or a six?? Thats a seven in front, right?? It's
> > > $7.xx??

> > > On Nov 4, 12:46 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Hi Y'all
> > > > Had to step out today.
> > > > Looks like controlled load-up. Masters of accumulation without
> > > > sparking price jump. The eternal optimist, edge of break-out. Going to
> > > > $9 soon. I have skin riding on that guess.

> > > > On Nov 4, 12:33 pm, Rooty <justinpaulmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Toronto and TT,

> > > > > Do y'all think it is the put buyers who are messing with things right
> > > > > now? It just seems that folks who are smart enough to manipulate the
> > > > > market would not be stupid enough to sell naked calls. Just seems like
> > > > > there is too much risk there. This looks a hell of alot like last
> > > > > month where the price was driving to $7 even though there was no
> > > > > justification. WHEN WILL THE INSANITY END!!!!  Oh yeah, the day after
> > > > > I sell. FUDGE!!!

> > > > > On Nov 4, 12:28 pm, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > we are hanging right around the 50 day MA now (7.34) and we'll bounce
> > > > > > around here for a while before going higher...

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 12:21 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hey wijram, I agree on the short sellers being hurt the most on share
> > > > > > > price rise, but not covered calls.  Those ones are not really hurt -
> > > > > > > they just miss out on gains beyond the strike price plus the proceeds
> > > > > > > of the call.  The ones who are hurt are the ones that sold naked calls
> > > > > > > (and only when the price rises past the exercise price plus the
> > > > > > > proceeds of the call sale) or bought puts.

> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 12:08 pm, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Mike Toce~

> > > > > > > > Oh, i agree that there are thousands if not tens of thousands of
> > > > > > > > individuals buying and selling Ford today.

> > > > > > > > As well as countless institutions.

> > > > > > > > However, I also believe that there are specific "players" whose moves
> > > > > > > > are so large that they can have an impact that can be seen.

> > > > > > > > The "moves" made can be seen ~ more properly stated, their finger-
> > > > > > > > prints can be discerned.

> > > > > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > > > > Wonder what percentage of those shorts are "naked"?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:01 am, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > don't you all think there are many people 'in the game' to account for
> > > > > > > > > that kind of volume?

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:59 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > > Although the volume is slowing, (I find it hard to say that when we
> > > > > > > > > > are over 117MM shares traded before the regular markets have been open
> > > > > > > > > > 2  and a half hours), we are making some progress.

> > > > > > > > > > Can you imagine how high the stakes are for the players in the game we
> > > > > > > > > > are watching?

> > > > > > > > > > Think one or the other will have to leave the field if they sustain
> > > > > > > > > > even the current pace.

> > > > > > > > > > Whichever remains in the game would then have a pretty free hand to
> > > > > > > > > > drive the price where-ever they want.

> > > > > > > > > > Personally, and i know that this is not realistic, i'm hoping for
> > > > > > > > > > $7.77.

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, today.

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 10:52 am, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > (iCom)
> > > > > > > > > > > Im with you in spirit
> > > > > > > > > > > will take the bait, very nice tune & mojo

> > > > > > > > > > > Next stop!
> > > > > > > > > > > rootys & gotluck's
> > > > > > > > > > > profittown

> > > > > > > > > > > T
> > > > > > > > > > > lets argue how high this can go up
> > > > > > > > > > > ok lol

> > > > > > > > > > > serious question, can Ford buy F-s with a new sec filing>
> > > > > > > > > > > Can they do the same, with buy of open market sale of their bonds>
> > > > > > > > > > > F canada slightly better then TM year todate?
> > > > > > > > > > > mexico sales the same? seems a tose up

> > > > > > > > > > > where rorytate today

> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:37 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Methinks I am here by myself.  It's hard to be mishievous when you
> > > > > > > > > > > > humans don't play along. ☺

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:29 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow - passes the 100 million mark well before noon.  Less than two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hours of trading in fact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you may understand the song I posted two weeks ago:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can read it in the tea leaves,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it's written in the sand,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How we found cash by the car load
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Ford and Volvo land

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell the shorters we're all happy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it's something they will never know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How we found cash by the car load
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By being long in Ford, doh!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 11:13 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denno,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's in the cards.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ford is now coming into its "steady state" of structural costs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reductions and matching production to sales journey that Mulally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked on 4 years ago.  They have pretty much driven out all the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste costs they can that are easy and medium easy to achieve.  They
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will continue to make progress, but not as pronounced.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If in that state they can achieve a billion dollar quarterly profit at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a 10.5 million SAAR (and there were no significant unusual items in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there to my knowledge) - that's a $4 billion annual profit company.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At a 15 million SAAR rate and the corresponding increases in vehicle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sales around the rest of the world, given Ford's operating margin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leverage, I believe $2.5 billion a quarter is NOT out of question for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ford. That's a $10 billion a year profit and that should be Ford's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "average position" once we achieve the 15 million SAAR.  If we take a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PE ratio of 8 - that's an $80 billion market cap. (I do believe I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being conservative in all of this). Given 3.22 billion shares (I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignoring the dilution right now) this gives us a $25 per share
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company.  My Target Time Frame: 3 - 4 years

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course all this assumes they can maintain at least a 15%+ market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > share.  I am actually betting they go higher once Chrysler dies.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All this is opinion of course,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you must remember I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > £σκί
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IСФΜ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 10:29 am, Denno <dennislr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $25.00 a share? Are you serious? When are you thinking that kind of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > price might happen?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:48 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very impressive show.  I too am fascinated by the amount of money
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > throwing walls up against this share price.  It seems that there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intent to drive the price down as much as possible before the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inevitable climb to the next leg in Ford's ascent to $25.00.  Looking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to make up for the ground missed in the climb from $2.00 to $6.00?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure what is happening here, but I am almost tempted to go into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rip Van Winkle mode on Ford and just convert everything to shares and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore things until pricing becomes rational.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:40 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Toronto~

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Confirms what seemed obvious, and that is MOST helpful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do think that today's short volume will be even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HIGHER.

> rooty

> johnny cash !
> a boy named sue

> ending of that tune is hot
> Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> My name is sue
> how do you do

> Bill, or George!!! Anything but Sue!!!

> ROFLMAO

> On Nov 4, 1:54 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > rooty

> > johnny cash !
> > a boy named sue

> > ending of that tune is hot
> > Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> > My name is sue
> > how do you do- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> rooty

> johnny cash !
> a boy named sue

> ending of that tune is hot
> Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> My name is sue
> how do you do

> Perhaps Blue Oval share price today needs a little bit of Crystal Blue
> Persuasion.

> On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Bill, or George!!! Anything but Sue!!!

> > ROFLMAO

> > On Nov 4, 1:54 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > rooty

> > > johnny cash !
> > > a boy named sue

> > > ending of that tune is hot
> > > Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> > > My name is sue
> > > how do you do- Hide quoted text -

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> - Show quoted text -

> Or perhaps some Jake humour from 2&1/2 men:

> What's big and green, has four legs, hides in a tree, and will kill
> you if it falls on you?
> ▼
> ▼
> ▼
> A pool table.

> See - it's funny 'cause you would never expect to find your pool table
> hiding in a tree - right?

> Ok - there were these two muffins baking in the oven and all of a
> sudden one muffin blurts out "Holy crap, it's hotter than hell in
> here".  Suddenly the other muffin blurts out "Holy crap - a talking
> muffin".
> ▼
> ▼
> ▼
> See - it's funny 'cause there were two talking muffins!!!
> ▼
> ▼
> ▼

> Ok - you people have no sense of humour.

> Humans,
> Bah, humbug!

> On Nov 4, 1:59 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Perhaps Blue Oval share price today needs a little bit of Crystal Blue
> > Persuasion.

> > On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > Bill, or George!!! Anything but Sue!!!

> > > ROFLMAO

> > > On Nov 4, 1:54 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > rooty

> > > > johnny cash !
> > > > a boy named sue

> > > > ending of that tune is hot
> > > > Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> > > > My name is sue
> > > > how do you do- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Or perhaps some Jake humour from 2&1/2 men:

> What's big and green, has four legs, hides in a tree, and will kill
> you if it falls on you?
> ▼
> ▼
> ▼
> A pool table.

> See - it's funny 'cause you would never expect to find your pool table
> hiding in a tree - right?

> Ok - there were these two muffins baking in the oven and all of a
> sudden one muffin blurts out "Holy crap, it's hotter than hell in
> here".  Suddenly the other muffin blurts out "Holy crap - a talking
> muffin".
> ▼
> ▼
> ▼
> See - it's funny 'cause there were two talking muffins!!!
> ▼
> ▼
> ▼

> Ok - you people have no sense of humour.

> Humans,
> Bah, humbug!

> On Nov 4, 1:59 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Perhaps Blue Oval share price today needs a little bit of Crystal Blue
> > Persuasion.

> > On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > Bill, or George!!! Anything but Sue!!!

> > > ROFLMAO

> > > On Nov 4, 1:54 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > rooty

> > > > johnny cash !
> > > > a boy named sue

> > > > ending of that tune is hot
> > > > Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> > > > My name is sue
> > > > how do you do- Hide quoted text -

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> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Ok - maybe this will shake things up:

> Ford announces 4th Quarter profit of $1.8 billion - full year profit
> before taxes of $3.78 billion.

> Based on: Over 1.4 million vehicles sold in the quarter.

> Continued improvement in average price of vehicles sold and further
> reduction of discounts/incentives.

> Meets or exceeds its production targets.

> No falloff in current economic stabilization.

> So - this is the earliest I have ever come out with a prediction on
> quarterly earnings.  I was pretty well bang on with the last one and
> way ahead of any analyst out there.

> Any bets?

> On Nov 4, 2:06 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Or perhaps some Jake humour from 2&1/2 men:

> > What's big and green, has four legs, hides in a tree, and will kill
> > you if it falls on you?
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > A pool table.

> > See - it's funny 'cause you would never expect to find your pool table
> > hiding in a tree - right?

> > Ok - there were these two muffins baking in the oven and all of a
> > sudden one muffin blurts out "Holy crap, it's hotter than hell in
> > here".  Suddenly the other muffin blurts out "Holy crap - a talking
> > muffin".
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > See - it's funny 'cause there were two talking muffins!!!
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > ▼

> > Ok - you people have no sense of humour.

> > Humans,
> > Bah, humbug!

> > On Nov 4, 1:59 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > Perhaps Blue Oval share price today needs a little bit of Crystal Blue
> > > Persuasion.

> > > On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > Bill, or George!!! Anything but Sue!!!

> > > > ROFLMAO

> > > > On Nov 4, 1:54 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > rooty

> > > > > johnny cash !
> > > > > a boy named sue

> > > > > ending of that tune is hot
> > > > > Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> > > > > My name is sue
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> > - Show quoted text -

> No worries Edin.

> T, I'll take it. One beer at the shareholders meeting says you are
> low. E-shake?

> Damn, Dow up 140 and Ford won't budge. Just unreal.

> Rhizz, we will be riding  in Kia come Friday? Damn, I was hoping for a
> new Taurus SHO. That ride is sweet.

> On Nov 4, 2:40 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Ok - maybe this will shake things up:

> > Ford announces 4th Quarter profit of $1.8 billion - full year profit
> > before taxes of $3.78 billion.

> > Based on: Over 1.4 million vehicles sold in the quarter.

> > Continued improvement in average price of vehicles sold and further
> > reduction of discounts/incentives.

> > Meets or exceeds its production targets.

> > No falloff in current economic stabilization.

> > So - this is the earliest I have ever come out with a prediction on
> > quarterly earnings.  I was pretty well bang on with the last one and
> > way ahead of any analyst out there.

> > Any bets?

> > On Nov 4, 2:06 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > Or perhaps some Jake humour from 2&1/2 men:

> > > What's big and green, has four legs, hides in a tree, and will kill
> > > you if it falls on you?
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > A pool table.

> > > See - it's funny 'cause you would never expect to find your pool table
> > > hiding in a tree - right?

> > > Ok - there were these two muffins baking in the oven and all of a
> > > sudden one muffin blurts out "Holy crap, it's hotter than hell in
> > > here".  Suddenly the other muffin blurts out "Holy crap - a talking
> > > muffin".
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > See - it's funny 'cause there were two talking muffins!!!
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > ▼

> > > Ok - you people have no sense of humour.

> > > Humans,
> > > Bah, humbug!

> > > On Nov 4, 1:59 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > Perhaps Blue Oval share price today needs a little bit of Crystal Blue
> > > > Persuasion.

> > > > On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > Bill, or George!!! Anything but Sue!!!

> > > > > ROFLMAO

> > > > > On Nov 4, 1:54 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > rooty

> > > > > > johnny cash !
> > > > > > a boy named sue

> > > > > > ending of that tune is hot
> > > > > > Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> > > > > > My name is sue
> > > > > > how do you do- Hide quoted text -

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> disengaged ?
> battle over

> next????

> t,

> very funny

> rooty its all good
> I love everyone, even F bears
> but more pity then love I guess

> On Nov 4, 2:06 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Or perhaps some Jake humour from 2&1/2 men:

> > What's big and green, has four legs, hides in a tree, and will kill
> > you if it falls on you?
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > A pool table.

> > See - it's funny 'cause you would never expect to find your pool table
> > hiding in a tree - right?

> > Ok - there were these two muffins baking in the oven and all of a
> > sudden one muffin blurts out "Holy crap, it's hotter than hell in
> > here".  Suddenly the other muffin blurts out "Holy crap - a talking
> > muffin".
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > See - it's funny 'cause there were two talking muffins!!!
> > ▼
> > ▼
> > ▼

> > Ok - you people have no sense of humour.

> > Humans,
> > Bah, humbug!

> > On Nov 4, 1:59 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > Perhaps Blue Oval share price today needs a little bit of Crystal Blue
> > > Persuasion.

> > > On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > Bill, or George!!! Anything but Sue!!!

> > > > ROFLMAO

> > > > On Nov 4, 1:54 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > rooty

> > > > > johnny cash !
> > > > > a boy named sue

> > > > > ending of that tune is hot
> > > > > Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> > > > > My name is sue
> > > > > how do you do- Hide quoted text -

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> der phil moment over 8.50 before end of yr

> On Nov 4, 2:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > disengaged ?
> > battle over

> > next????

> > t,

> > very funny

> > rooty its all good
> > I love everyone, even F bears
> > but more pity then love I guess

> > On Nov 4, 2:06 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > Or perhaps some Jake humour from 2&1/2 men:

> > > What's big and green, has four legs, hides in a tree, and will kill
> > > you if it falls on you?
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > A pool table.

> > > See - it's funny 'cause you would never expect to find your pool table
> > > hiding in a tree - right?

> > > Ok - there were these two muffins baking in the oven and all of a
> > > sudden one muffin blurts out "Holy crap, it's hotter than hell in
> > > here".  Suddenly the other muffin blurts out "Holy crap - a talking
> > > muffin".
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > See - it's funny 'cause there were two talking muffins!!!
> > > ▼
> > > ▼
> > > ▼

> > > Ok - you people have no sense of humour.

> > > Humans,
> > > Bah, humbug!

> > > On Nov 4, 1:59 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > Perhaps Blue Oval share price today needs a little bit of Crystal Blue
> > > > Persuasion.

> > > > On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > > > > Bill, or George!!! Anything but Sue!!!

> > > > > ROFLMAO

> > > > > On Nov 4, 1:54 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > rooty

> > > > > > johnny cash !
> > > > > > a boy named sue

> > > > > > ending of that tune is hot
> > > > > > Thats feeling I'll have at $9++

> > > > > > My name is sue
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> toronto,

> side note
> I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> rate for Nov

> ...............

> you were spot on
> q3

> I would say to be conservative
> your #s make sense,
> q2 2010

> & q4 09
> +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> comments ..
> so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> thats back to bump in margins
> so could be a toss up effect

> BUT crap
> think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> at 3.2B++

> &
> IF there's more debt reduction
> additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> ................

> since we're off a few q's
> how about q3 2010
> t?

> fiesta sales hmmmm

> I havent NAILed exact #
> but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> in margin to Profits

> ...................

> also fyi for now
> Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
> could be $700M gain... to makeup for my notes above.

> Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > toronto,

> > side note
> > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > rate for Nov

> > ...............

> > you were spot on
> > q3

> > I would say to be conservative
> > your #s make sense,
> > q2 2010

> > & q4 09
> > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > comments ..
> > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > thats back to bump in margins
> > so could be a toss up effect

> > BUT crap
> > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > at 3.2B++

> > &
> > IF there's more debt reduction
> > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > ................

> > since we're off a few q's
> > how about q3 2010
> > t?

> > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > I havent NAILed exact #
> > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > in margin to Profits

> > ...................

> > also fyi for now
> > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
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> 200M
> super tight
> range!

> On Nov 4, 3:28 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> > On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > toronto,

> > > side note
> > > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > > rate for Nov

> > > ...............

> > > you were spot on
> > > q3

> > > I would say to be conservative
> > > your #s make sense,
> > > q2 2010

> > > & q4 09
> > > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > > comments ..
> > > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > > thats back to bump in margins
> > > so could be a toss up effect

> > > BUT crap
> > > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > > at 3.2B++

> > > &
> > > IF there's more debt reduction
> > > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > > ................

> > > since we're off a few q's
> > > how about q3 2010
> > > t?

> > > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > > I havent NAILed exact #
> > > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > > in margin to Profits

> > > ...................

> > > also fyi for now
> > > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
> > > could be $700M gain... to makeup for my notes above.- Hide quoted text -

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> agreed-super tight volatility>maybe a squeeze/breakout...hopefully
> higher!

> On Nov 4, 3:31 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > 200M
> > super tight
> > range!

> > On Nov 4, 3:28 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> > > On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > toronto,

> > > > side note
> > > > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > > > rate for Nov

> > > > ...............

> > > > you were spot on
> > > > q3

> > > > I would say to be conservative
> > > > your #s make sense,
> > > > q2 2010

> > > > & q4 09
> > > > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > > > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > > > comments ..
> > > > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > > > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > > > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > > > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > > > thats back to bump in margins
> > > > so could be a toss up effect

> > > > BUT crap
> > > > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > > > at 3.2B++

> > > > &
> > > > IF there's more debt reduction
> > > > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > > > ................

> > > > since we're off a few q's
> > > > how about q3 2010
> > > > t?

> > > > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > > > I havent NAILed exact #
> > > > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > > > in margin to Profits

> > > > ...................

> > > > also fyi for now
> > > > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > > > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
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> agreed-super tight volatility>maybe a squeeze/breakout...hopefully
> higher!

> On Nov 4, 3:31 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > 200M
> > super tight
> > range!

> > On Nov 4, 3:28 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> > > On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > toronto,

> > > > side note
> > > > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > > > rate for Nov

> > > > ...............

> > > > you were spot on
> > > > q3

> > > > I would say to be conservative
> > > > your #s make sense,
> > > > q2 2010

> > > > & q4 09
> > > > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > > > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > > > comments ..
> > > > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > > > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > > > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > > > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > > > thats back to bump in margins
> > > > so could be a toss up effect

> > > > BUT crap
> > > > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > > > at 3.2B++

> > > > &
> > > > IF there's more debt reduction
> > > > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > > > ................

> > > > since we're off a few q's
> > > > how about q3 2010
> > > > t?

> > > > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > > > I havent NAILed exact #
> > > > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > > > in margin to Profits

> > > > ...................

> > > > also fyi for now
> > > > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > > > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
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> extreme volatility.. high volume... im long and riding this thing out.

> On Nov 4, 3:33 pm, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > agreed-super tight volatility>maybe a squeeze/breakout...hopefully
> > higher!

> > On Nov 4, 3:31 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > 200M
> > > super tight
> > > range!

> > > On Nov 4, 3:28 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> > > > On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > toronto,

> > > > > side note
> > > > > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > > > > rate for Nov

> > > > > ...............

> > > > > you were spot on
> > > > > q3

> > > > > I would say to be conservative
> > > > > your #s make sense,
> > > > > q2 2010

> > > > > & q4 09
> > > > > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > > > > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > > > > comments ..
> > > > > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > > > > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > > > > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > > > > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > > > > thats back to bump in margins
> > > > > so could be a toss up effect

> > > > > BUT crap
> > > > > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > > > > at 3.2B++

> > > > > &
> > > > > IF there's more debt reduction
> > > > > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > > > > ................

> > > > > since we're off a few q's
> > > > > how about q3 2010
> > > > > t?

> > > > > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > > > > I havent NAILed exact #
> > > > > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > > > > in margin to Profits

> > > > > ...................

> > > > > also fyi for now
> > > > > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > > > > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
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> Think Tank & All~

> Looks like both of them are lasting to the end of the day.

> Although I have been unable to read finger prints for

> On Nov 4, 2:43 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Edin, keep your eyes open.

> > On Nov 4, 3:35 pm, G-Money <cgriffi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > extreme volatility.. high volume... im long and riding this thing out.

> > > On Nov 4, 3:33 pm, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > agreed-super tight volatility>maybe a squeeze/breakout...hopefully
> > > > higher!

> > > > On Nov 4, 3:31 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > 200M
> > > > > super tight
> > > > > range!

> > > > > On Nov 4, 3:28 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > toronto,

> > > > > > > side note
> > > > > > > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > > > > > > rate for Nov

> > > > > > > ...............

> > > > > > > you were spot on
> > > > > > > q3

> > > > > > > I would say to be conservative
> > > > > > > your #s make sense,
> > > > > > > q2 2010

> > > > > > > & q4 09
> > > > > > > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > > > > > > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > > > > > > comments ..
> > > > > > > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > > > > > > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > > > > > > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > > > > > > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > > > > > > thats back to bump in margins
> > > > > > > so could be a toss up effect

> > > > > > > BUT crap
> > > > > > > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > > > > > > at 3.2B++

> > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > IF there's more debt reduction
> > > > > > > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > > > > > > ................

> > > > > > > since we're off a few q's
> > > > > > > how about q3 2010
> > > > > > > t?

> > > > > > > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > > > > > > I havent NAILed exact #
> > > > > > > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > > > > > > in margin to Profits

> > > > > > > ...................

> > > > > > > also fyi for now
> > > > > > > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > > > > > > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
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> Edin, keep your eyes open.

> On Nov 4, 3:35 pm, G-Money <cgriffi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > extreme volatility.. high volume... im long and riding this thing out.

> > On Nov 4, 3:33 pm, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > agreed-super tight volatility>maybe a squeeze/breakout...hopefully
> > > higher!

> > > On Nov 4, 3:31 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > 200M
> > > > super tight
> > > > range!

> > > > On Nov 4, 3:28 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > toronto,

> > > > > > side note
> > > > > > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > > > > > rate for Nov

> > > > > > ...............

> > > > > > you were spot on
> > > > > > q3

> > > > > > I would say to be conservative
> > > > > > your #s make sense,
> > > > > > q2 2010

> > > > > > & q4 09
> > > > > > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > > > > > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > > > > > comments ..
> > > > > > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > > > > > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > > > > > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > > > > > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > > > > > thats back to bump in margins
> > > > > > so could be a toss up effect

> > > > > > BUT crap
> > > > > > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > > > > > at 3.2B++

> > > > > > &
> > > > > > IF there's more debt reduction
> > > > > > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > > > > > ................

> > > > > > since we're off a few q's
> > > > > > how about q3 2010
> > > > > > t?

> > > > > > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > > > > > I havent NAILed exact #
> > > > > > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > > > > > in margin to Profits

> > > > > > ...................

> > > > > > also fyi for now
> > > > > > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > > > > > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
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> millions of shares!!!
> looks like we can see who's winning...sigh...

> On Nov 4, 3:43 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Edin, keep your eyes open.

> > On Nov 4, 3:35 pm, G-Money <cgriffi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > extreme volatility.. high volume... im long and riding this thing out.

> > > On Nov 4, 3:33 pm, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > agreed-super tight volatility>maybe a squeeze/breakout...hopefully
> > > > higher!

> > > > On Nov 4, 3:31 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > 200M
> > > > > super tight
> > > > > range!

> > > > > On Nov 4, 3:28 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > toronto,

> > > > > > > side note
> > > > > > > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > > > > > > rate for Nov

> > > > > > > ...............

> > > > > > > you were spot on
> > > > > > > q3

> > > > > > > I would say to be conservative
> > > > > > > your #s make sense,
> > > > > > > q2 2010

> > > > > > > & q4 09
> > > > > > > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > > > > > > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > > > > > > comments ..
> > > > > > > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > > > > > > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > > > > > > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > > > > > > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > > > > > > thats back to bump in margins
> > > > > > > so could be a toss up effect

> > > > > > > BUT crap
> > > > > > > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > > > > > > at 3.2B++

> > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > IF there's more debt reduction
> > > > > > > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > > > > > > ................

> > > > > > > since we're off a few q's
> > > > > > > how about q3 2010
> > > > > > > t?

> > > > > > > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > > > > > > I havent NAILed exact #
> > > > > > > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > > > > > > in margin to Profits

> > > > > > > ...................

> > > > > > > also fyi for now
> > > > > > > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > > > > > > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
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> millions of shares!!!
> looks like we can see who's winning...sigh...

> On Nov 4, 3:43 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Edin, keep your eyes open.

> > On Nov 4, 3:35 pm, G-Money <cgriffi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > extreme volatility.. high volume... im long and riding this thing out.

> > > On Nov 4, 3:33 pm, Mike Toce <shelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > agreed-super tight volatility>maybe a squeeze/breakout...hopefully
> > > > higher!

> > > > On Nov 4, 3:31 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > 200M
> > > > > super tight
> > > > > range!

> > > > > On Nov 4, 3:28 pm, RoryTate <dean....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Man, that's flatter than my high school girlfriend.

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 3:21 pm, edin <milpr...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > toronto,

> > > > > > > side note
> > > > > > > I would add SAARS 10.7 - 10.9M
> > > > > > > rate for Nov

> > > > > > > ...............

> > > > > > > you were spot on
> > > > > > > q3

> > > > > > > I would say to be conservative
> > > > > > > your #s make sense,
> > > > > > > q2 2010

> > > > > > > & q4 09
> > > > > > > +/- I think its 800M-1.2B
> > > > > > > Oct sales conf  "tell" was provided, in that inventory healing
> > > > > > > comments ..
> > > > > > > so I think there are accounting hits - related to booking sales etc
> > > > > > > Pipas said 400K inventory by year end (I think Inv ended  9-31 @ 307k)

> > > > > > > BUT its also very tricky that he stated within weeks
> > > > > > > F is near 90% 2010 inventory
> > > > > > > thats back to bump in margins
> > > > > > > so could be a toss up effect

> > > > > > > BUT crap
> > > > > > > think Im just on low end conservative side here- Volvo could sell
> > > > > > > at 3.2B++

> > > > > > > &
> > > > > > > IF there's more debt reduction
> > > > > > > additional paper gains. fyi like q2 09

> > > > > > > ................

> > > > > > > since we're off a few q's
> > > > > > > how about q3 2010
> > > > > > > t?

> > > > > > > fiesta sales hmmmm

> > > > > > > I havent NAILed exact #
> > > > > > > but looks like each incremental sale OFF recent bottoms, is $3,500++
> > > > > > > in margin to Profits

> > > > > > > ...................

> > > > > > > also fyi for now
> > > > > > > Im ok with us saving $410M ... per what UAW didnt take
> > > > > > > & look forward to Industrial Bank approval for credit
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