> One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> F for today:

> ++++++++

>   Standard
> R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> S1 7.34667
> S2 7.24333
> S3 7.16667
> Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> +++++++

> Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> it has been in recent days.

> Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?

> I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > F for today:

> > ++++++++

> >   Standard
> > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > S1 7.34667
> > S2 7.24333
> > S3 7.16667
> > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > +++++++

> > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > it has been in recent days.

> > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > F for today:

> > ++++++++

> >   Standard
> > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > S1 7.34667
> > S2 7.24333
> > S3 7.16667
> > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > +++++++

> > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > it has been in recent days.

> > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> that bullish signal pans out today.

> On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > F for today:

> > > ++++++++

> > >   Standard
> > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > S1 7.34667
> > > S2 7.24333
> > > S3 7.16667
> > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > +++++++

> > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > it has been in recent days.

> > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Good Morning.

> Two things~

> 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> can.

> 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Gotluck~

> > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > F for today:

> > > > ++++++++

> > > >   Standard
> > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > +++++++

> > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Good Morning.

> Two things~

> 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> can.

> 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Gotluck~

> > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > F for today:

> > > > ++++++++

> > > >   Standard
> > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > +++++++

> > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

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> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Jobs data seen as not good.

> 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Toronto~

> > Good Morning.

> > Two things~

> > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > can.

> > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Gotluck~

> > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > F for today:

> > > > > ++++++++

> > > > >   Standard
> > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > +++++++

> > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

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> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> F back UP to $7.40.

> On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Toronto~

> > > Good Morning.

> > > Two things~

> > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > can.

> > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Gotluck~

> > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > F back UP to $7.40.

> > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Toronto~

> > > > Good Morning.

> > > > Two things~

> > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > can.

> > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > F back UP to $7.40.

> > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Toronto~

> > > > Good Morning.

> > > > Two things~

> > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > can.

> > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> Job news is certainly NOT good, but....

> The danger is the headline, but the news is precisely what was
> published yesterday ~ believe it to be the consusus estimate.

> Do not agree with your assessment of its impact on F, although there
> will clearly be a negative impact ~ which neither of us need today.

> I note that, at least for a while now, F has held at the $7.35 level.
> That may be the close to the lower limit range.

> All that being said, and further recognizing what Gotluck wrote this
> morning about an approaching breakout, I am shedding my Dec calls
> today, regardless of price.

> Have some hope that the markets, or at least F will recover from the
> impact of the jobs news, but even if they do not I am just too
> concerned about time decay.

> What I can gain by holding is just not worth thinking about Dec calls
> all weekend.

> On Nov 6, 7:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > Two things~

> > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > can.

> > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Think Tank & All~

> > F back UP to $7.40.

> > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Toronto~

> > > > Good Morning.

> > > > Two things~

> > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > can.

> > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> shorters to be running out of steam.

> Obviously I was wrong.

> This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> WTF?!!!

> In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> stock?

> Rhizzlebop:

> I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> why anyone pays attention to it.

> As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> don't tell you.

> Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > Two things~

> > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > can.

> > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > > > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

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> Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> shorters to be running out of steam.

> Obviously I was wrong.

> This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> WTF?!!!

> In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> stock?

> Rhizzlebop:

> I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> why anyone pays attention to it.

> As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> don't tell you.

> Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > Two things~

> > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > can.

> > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > > > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

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> Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> shorters to be running out of steam.

> Obviously I was wrong.

> This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> WTF?!!!

> In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> stock?

> Rhizzlebop:

> I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> why anyone pays attention to it.

> As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> don't tell you.

> Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > Two things~

> > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > can.

> > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > > > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

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> Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> shorters to be running out of steam.

> Obviously I was wrong.

> This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> WTF?!!!

> In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> stock?

> Rhizzlebop:

> I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> why anyone pays attention to it.

> As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> don't tell you.

> Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > Two things~

> > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > can.

> > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> Not exact, but pretty close: "Given the lack lustre commitment shown
> in the market today along with the poorer volumes, it is apparent that
> some stocks will win and some won't".

> Is that insight worth a half a million or more a year, or what?
> Although I was LMAO I also wanted to drive a spike through my ears and
> eyes so I didn't have to hear/see such greatness in the future as
> obviously I am not worthy.

> JMO of course, although not very humble about it. ☺

> On Nov 6, 9:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Shorts for the week to date.  Please note: it appears my service had a
> > glitch for Wednesday as the numbers were revised significantly.

> > Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> > 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> > 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> > 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> > 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> > Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> > observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> > day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> > muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> > the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> > of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> > million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> > shorters to be running out of steam.

> > Obviously I was wrong.

> > This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> > that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> > shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> > close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> > WTF?!!!

> > In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> > stock?

> > Rhizzlebop:

> > I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> > 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> > contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> > saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> > US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> > why anyone pays attention to it.

> > As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> > of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> > come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> > people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> > because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> > available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> > jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> > active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> > don't tell you.

> > Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> > On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > > Two things~

> > > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > > can.

> > > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > > > > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

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> Not exact, but pretty close: "Given the lack lustre commitment shown
> in the market today along with the poorer volumes, it is apparent that
> some stocks will win and some won't".

> Is that insight worth a half a million or more a year, or what?
> Although I was LMAO I also wanted to drive a spike through my ears and
> eyes so I didn't have to hear/see such greatness in the future as
> obviously I am not worthy.

> JMO of course, although not very humble about it. ☺

> On Nov 6, 9:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Shorts for the week to date.  Please note: it appears my service had a
> > glitch for Wednesday as the numbers were revised significantly.

> > Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> > 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> > 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> > 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> > 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> > Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> > observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> > day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> > muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> > the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> > of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> > million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> > shorters to be running out of steam.

> > Obviously I was wrong.

> > This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> > that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> > shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> > close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> > WTF?!!!

> > In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> > stock?

> > Rhizzlebop:

> > I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> > 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> > contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> > saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> > US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> > why anyone pays attention to it.

> > As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> > of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> > come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> > people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> > because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> > available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> > jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> > active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> > don't tell you.

> > Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> > On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > > Two things~

> > > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > > can.

> > > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> Not exact, but pretty close: "Given the lack lustre commitment shown
> in the market today along with the poorer volumes, it is apparent that
> some stocks will win and some won't".

> Is that insight worth a half a million or more a year, or what?
> Although I was LMAO I also wanted to drive a spike through my ears and
> eyes so I didn't have to hear/see such greatness in the future as
> obviously I am not worthy.

> JMO of course, although not very humble about it. ☺

> On Nov 6, 9:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Shorts for the week to date.  Please note: it appears my service had a
> > glitch for Wednesday as the numbers were revised significantly.

> > Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> > 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> > 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> > 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> > 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> > Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> > observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> > day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> > muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> > the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> > of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> > million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> > shorters to be running out of steam.

> > Obviously I was wrong.

> > This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> > that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> > shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> > close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> > WTF?!!!

> > In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> > stock?

> > Rhizzlebop:

> > I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> > 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> > contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> > saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> > US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> > why anyone pays attention to it.

> > As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> > of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> > come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> > people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> > because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> > available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> > jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> > active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> > don't tell you.

> > Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> > On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > > Two things~

> > > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > > can.

> > > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > > > > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

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> Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> shorters to be running out of steam.

> Obviously I was wrong.

> This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> WTF?!!!

> In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> stock?

> Rhizzlebop:

> I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> why anyone pays attention to it.

> As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> don't tell you.

> Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Think Tank & All~

> > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > Two things~

> > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > can.

> > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
> > > > > > > > high will it reach.  And, of course, where will it close this weeek?- Hide quoted text -

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> 11 minutes to trade the first 10MM shares.

> On Nov 6, 8:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Shorts for the week to date.  Please note: it appears my service had a
> > glitch for Wednesday as the numbers were revised significantly.

> > Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> > 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> > 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> > 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> > 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> > Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> > observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> > day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> > muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> > the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> > of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> > million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> > shorters to be running out of steam.

> > Obviously I was wrong.

> > This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> > that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> > shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> > close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> > WTF?!!!

> > In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> > stock?

> > Rhizzlebop:

> > I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> > 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> > contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> > saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> > US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> > why anyone pays attention to it.

> > As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> > of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> > come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> > people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> > because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> > available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> > jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> > active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> > don't tell you.

> > Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> > On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > > Two things~

> > > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > > can.

> > > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> On Nov 6, 8:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Shorts for the week to date.  Please note: it appears my service had a
> > glitch for Wednesday as the numbers were revised significantly.

> > Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> > 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> > 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> > 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> > 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> > Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> > observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> > day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> > muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> > the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> > of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> > million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> > shorters to be running out of steam.

> > Obviously I was wrong.

> > This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> > that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> > shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> > close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> > WTF?!!!

> > In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> > stock?

> > Rhizzlebop:

> > I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> > 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> > contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> > saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> > US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> > why anyone pays attention to it.

> > As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> > of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> > come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> > people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> > because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> > available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> > jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> > active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> > don't tell you.

> > Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> > On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > > Two things~

> > > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > > can.

> > > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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> 11 minutes to trade the first 10MM shares.

> On Nov 6, 8:20 am, from Toronto <lo...@rogers.com> wrote:

> > Shorts for the week to date.  Please note: it appears my service had a
> > glitch for Wednesday as the numbers were revised significantly.

> > Date    Day Volume     Short Vol        SV/DV%
> > 11/05   124,575,121     27,327,185      21.94%
> > 11/04   240,095,100     52,568,529      21.89%
> > 11/03   193,726,100     46,709,027      24.11%
> > 11/02   208,718,300     32,070,494      15.37%

> > Hey wijram - my comment regarding "as I expected" was based on
> > observation at day's end on Wednesday as I reviewed the charts for the
> > day - was that following the big opening drop, volatility was fairly
> > muted for the day.  Nothing of interest until the second fall-off at
> > the end of day and that did not appear to be shorters - just a mirror
> > of the entire market. On top of that - I thought that the almost 80
> > million shares shorted in previous two days was a lot and expected the
> > shorters to be running out of steam.

> > Obviously I was wrong.

> > This revised number blows me away and makes me think about going into
> > that RVW phase even more.  With the revision - that brings total
> > shorts this week alone to almost 160 million shares. That's getting
> > close to $1.2 Billion.  This brings an elegant phrase to mind -
> > WTF?!!!

> > In any case - I wonder how much they can keep throwing against this
> > stock?

> > Rhizzlebop:

> > I don't consider the jobs report "bad" - 190,000 versus the expected
> > 175,000?  Nonsense and likely not accurate.  In september they
> > contradicted the ADP report and stated 263,000 jobs lost when ADP was
> > saying 220,000.  Later they revised the number to 209,000.  The Fed's
> > US jobs report is almost never accurate first time out - not even sure
> > why anyone pays attention to it.

> > As far as unemployment climbing 40 basis points from 9.9 to 10.2 - one
> > of two things.  Outright error (which is possible though unlikely but
> > come on - the job losses don't match up).  Or - more likely - more
> > people have re-entered the job search category and that's a good sign
> > because that happens when there are signs that jobs are becoming
> > available.  That's why unemployment lags the recovery because as more
> > jobs become available and easier to find - more people enter the
> > active labour pool.  Just another part of the story the talking heads
> > don't tell you.

> > Sorry - but I see this as a good report.

> > On Nov 6, 8:51 am, Rhizzlebop <michaelrrho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh boy.  With this bad jobs news, we might touch 7.  Ridiculous.

> > > On Nov 6, 8:39 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > F back UP to $7.40.

> > > > On Nov 6, 7:37 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Think Tank & All~

> > > > > Jobs data seen as not good.

> > > > > 192K jobs lost.  Unemployment rate to 10.2%

> > > > > This will not make for a supportive environment today.

> > > > > DJIA futures now down to -48 pts.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 7:28 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Toronto~

> > > > > > Good Morning.

> > > > > > Two things~

> > > > > > 1)  Would you please provide yesterday's short numbers as soon as you
> > > > > > can.

> > > > > > 2)  In a post yesterday, you noted that the short numbers for Wed were
> > > > > > down from the earlier two days.  But what piqued my interest was your
> > > > > > comment which was essentially, "as I expected."  What had caused you
> > > > > > to expect a lower number for Wed shorts?

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:19 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Gotluck~

> > > > > > > Thanks for the observations about the $7.60s as a break out point.

> > > > > > > I am not very good at technical analysis, so I particularly appreciate
> > > > > > > posts like yours that cover my butt in an area in which I am weak.

> > > > > > > Would appreciate it if others who are strong in tech analysis would
> > > > > > > weigh in on how they are seeing the way things are shaping up.

> > > > > > > I do notice that F crossed the 50 day moving average yesterday.  Hope
> > > > > > > that bullish signal pans out today.

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Gotluck <rsgotl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Good moring Wijram and TT,

> > > > > > > > I was reading the posts last night, i'm back in to work and strapped
> > > > > > > > in tight, and I wanted to post a thought. Looking at the charts for
> > > > > > > > timing, the tea leaves look like the low 7.60's are shaping up to be a
> > > > > > > > break out point. I'd estimate that a close above that is an indication
> > > > > > > > of the start of a longer trend. As some indicated this as area as an
> > > > > > > > exit point. I realize everyone here is on different time frames. My
> > > > > > > > best guess is a slow stair stepping toward the 9's beginning next week
> > > > > > > > or so. Does this sound at all out of line? Basically, it looks like
> > > > > > > > the price pattern in August. Its converging to a point and we're just
> > > > > > > > about there. Does anyone else read the tea leaves?

> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 7:29 am, wijram <wij...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Good Morning Think Tank & All~

> > > > > > > > > One headline in the news this morning seems to sum up a lot today ~
> > > > > > > > > "Futures Drift Ahead of US Jobs Data" ~ but more on that later.

> > > > > > > > > Overnight, Asian markets were UP across the board ~ with the range
> > > > > > > > > being from the Nikkei's +.70% to the Hang Seng's + 1.46%.  Europe at
> > > > > > > > > this hour is following suit, but at a lower pace.

> > > > > > > > > The DJIA futures are as one would expect from the above headline, a
> > > > > > > > > undecided + 4 pts while the S& P is UP .6001 pts.  Oil is currently is
> > > > > > > > > reflecting the weaker dollar at $79.87, up $.25.

> > > > > > > > > For those that find the Pivot Point numbers useful, here they are for
> > > > > > > > > F for today:

> > > > > > > > > ++++++++

> > > > > > > > >   Standard
> > > > > > > > > R3 7.70667      Open:  7.36
> > > > > > > > > R2 7.60333      High:  7.5
> > > > > > > > > R1 7.52667      Low:  7.32
> > > > > > > > > PP 7.42333      Close:  7.45
> > > > > > > > > S1 7.34667
> > > > > > > > > S2 7.24333
> > > > > > > > > S3 7.16667
> > > > > > > > > Observation: BULLISH with a closing price between pivot point and R1.

> > > > > > > > > +++++++

> > > > > > > > > Of course, the jobs report due out at 8:30 eastern time will likely
> > > > > > > > > give direction to the overall market.  It should answer the question
> > > > > > > > > being posed yesterday afternoon by many, "Can the market climb again
> > > > > > > > > on Friday after a 200 pt gain on Thursday."

> > > > > > > > > However, not even the all important jobs data will totally determine
> > > > > > > > > the fate of the price of F common today.  Yesterday's volume, while
> > > > > > > > > down significantly from the two preceding days, was still more than
> > > > > > > > > sufficient to show that some "players" are in the game on this one.
> > > > > > > > > The struggle between the bulls and the bears will, almost without
> > > > > > > > > doubt be continuing today.  I suspect it will be even more fierce than
> > > > > > > > > it has been in recent days.

> > > > > > > > > Ford opened in the directed trade market this morning with a spread of
> > > > > > > > > $7.42 - $7.50.  The first actual trade my system showed was at $7.47

> > > > > > > > > So, as ALWAYS, interested in you thoughts.  In particular, where will
> > > > > > > > > F open in regular market trading today?  How low will it dip, and how
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