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sol  
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:03:06 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 7:03 am
Subject: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
No spammers or MEAN POSTS PLEASE. Many of us are getting goofed up on
the socalled dollar/carry trade.

If we short, the dollar gets weaker and stocks get pushed up
artifically.

If we Long GE, the dollar gets stronger and this pushes stock
articially lower !

If we plan on the comcast deal anything could happen...

Looking for everyones best educated guess and if so why !

GE is just languishing !!!!!!!!!!!!


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:21:33 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
The way I see it, unless there is a hell
of a lot of good news on the homefront
and for the company I think that this PPS
is heading down to the the 12's for a test
of a low very soon.

Just my opinion.

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:42:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
How Will this immeadiate news of Warren Buffet purchasing Burlington
Northern Railroad. The stock futures which were down 90 points are now
down only 40 points, Warren has moved markets and so GE maybe
unaffected today or may go with Railroad sentiment. GE usually goes
with Banks, but Buffet is stating THIS IS A BET ON AMERICA " ALL IN
BET ON THE UNITED STATES".  He is GOD !

 Now can I make any moeny in GE, Bet Up or Down ?

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:23:44 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??

Well they're under the weather, any way you look at it, given the
earnings theyve had.
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From: Garandhero <garandh...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:19:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
I just really want to know how a Comcast Deal would affect GE - I
would say that would have to positive news... GE shareholders would as
I understand it, get a stake in a NBC which would they be bought out
at a premium by comcast.... cant hurt right?

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:50:43 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
The way i see it is that GE is still in it neck deep  with its GE
capital woes. When they get that straightened out, along with the
other investment plans discussed above, we could see this make a slow
but sure turn around. I feel there is still going to be tons of
unfavorable data to come in following months so i wouldnt be surprised
if we do see the pps in the 13s. Theres my 2 cents :).

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:57:33 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Is your other account Profit by any chance?

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
This GE is a mood killer.

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:01:27 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Wait until next week, then go long GE.  There are lot's of puts
written on GE at 16, which means that the big brokerage houses can
scare you big-time into buying their puts as protection as they drive
down the price by selling GE, then right before expiration, start
buying GE back driving up the price and making the protection
worthless.  They get you both ways - you can't fight it, but you can
tag along and catch some scraps.

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:30:45 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
John and Sickman and all thank you for responding. I actually did well
trading in and out of GE yesterday becuse there was no dramatic up or
down. This stock used to be great for a guy like me that traded but di
not want the floor to drop out from under him. I am awaiting to almost
a 30 minutes after trading has started to dive in.. Comcast is now up
74 cents after they realeased quarterly stating they beat the street.

 GE is up but I fear that is because it has dropped so much the last 2
weeks. its up 18 cents premarket, as the market awaits ADP employment
data, if its up to 10% Market will tank. BUT AGAIN THIS DEPENDS ON
THAT %&&*DARN US DOLLAR INDEX WHICH IS AT 76.15,

 What say all, ISM and Fed news also coming out today.

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:31:51 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??

John, where can you see these trends?
Thanks
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:39:08 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Eh after such a big downward move there'll bound to be a bounce for
all the daytraders out there.  But really it all hinges on GECC's
mortgage exposure.  I've posted this time and time again....GECC ISN'T
a bank (officially) so they don't have to mark to market their
declining assets.  They only need to take writedowns on loans that go
bad or if they sell their commercial properties for substantially less
than they paid for them.  Until Immsmelt pulls his head out of his
arse and sacks the 'executives' that thought investing at the top of a
market was a good idea and instead of dumping they're going to hold on
and hope that the loans don't all go bad then nothing will change.

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:53:04 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Superman -

You can see the current amounts of open PUT option interest at the
Chicago Options site (cboe.com).  There are currently 200,000 open NOV
contracts (= 20,000,000 shares) of PUT options written at 16,15, and
14.  That means if GE spikes above 16 at Nov 21, the sellers of those
options keep all the money.  When I look at the open interest for
other DOW components, even riskier ones like AA, that level seems
pretty high to me.

I agree with Borodorihachi though, it is playing the bounce.   I would
not stay too long in the position.

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:58:19 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Thanks John. When you say you wouldnt stay too long in that position,
you're referring to puts?
I have 40 calls for novembers at 15, and im worried. I have 80 more
calls in Jan, March and further.
I need to write some calls for November to recoup some losses. Do you
think it's a good idea to write calls now or before end of the year
not much going to happen?

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:14:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Hey Superman -

I was referring to buying the stock long next week, then selling at or
near the Nov expiration date.  I think the stock will porpoise up and
down until GE gets their loan exposure under control (and the next
checkpoint would be next earnings), so the true stock value is
accurate without that liability hanging over them.

If you are long Nov 15 calls (you bought them), you are in good
company (a lot of volume today at that strike price).  For those whose
purchases influence the market, you could 1) agressively sell GE stock
(driving price down), 2) sell PUTS at each strike price as there price
goes up, 3) when the price gets low, buy CALLS at lower strike prices,
and 4) then start buying the stock back going into expiration.
Hopefully, you are long the calls, and we are at about to enter step
3.  Good luck!

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
It seems to be safe to say the stock is likely to break $14. I'm not
sure sure where you're coming with the time frame, who's to say the
bearish zone won't be there for 3 months?
I've seen that before.

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:02:47 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Well for now if you got long at $16 and $15 then the only hope for the
short term is to pray that GE breaks $14 then you can have a chance at
averaging down.  But at it's current level I'm still up 63% so for
me...eh.

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:19:09 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
GE is way oversold right now.  There is strong support at the
$14.00-14.25 level.  I'm playing this one by $15 December calls.  I
think that if the market continues to rally into the end of the year,
GE is poised to get back to $16 by the end of the year.  Morgan
Stanley's price target on GE is $20.

http://www.ShootTheBears.com

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Well lets see, John and Sickman: How are the puts volumes today? Any
significant decline in the volume or interest?

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
The majority of Calls today for Nov expiration are again at 15 strike
price, which indicates to me that the stock will bounce around this
week, then move in earnest above 15 next week, with a 50:50 chance of
breaking 16 late in the options expiration week.

Nothing significant on new Nov Put volume today, but I would not
expect that since this close to expiration there is not a lot of gain
(but a lot of risk) in Nov Puts now.

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Great conversation.

I just sold my shares at a small profit. Sorry longs. I wanted to have
cash for tomorrow. Have no idea which way pendulum will swing. But I
want to be cautious here...

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
Thanks John for the update.

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??

Ok, all on the same page, right?

John, there is no 50/50 chance of breaking 16 anymore. We'll break it
next week.
What do you think about breaking 17 in November?
I say there is a 70% chance.

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
GE above 17 is possible in Nov on fundamentals, assuming GE can assure
investors they are getting their loan exposure under control.

Looking at options action, I don't see a real commitment to a better
than 17 price - the most amount of money seems to be betting in being
over 16 going into expiration (so personally I would favor trades that
made money at 16 or 16.50, not requiring crossing 17 just yet).

Note though, be prepared for a rapid mid Nov exit of any long
positions, because GE frequently reverses once the options are covered
(either by expiration or closing just before expiration).

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Subject: Re: GE, for short term do we short or go long.. how much lower can it go ??
November 16th deal, what do you think about that?

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