> I'll admit I called you a liar by mistake, but you are a FUDster!

> On Nov 6, 12:34 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Uncle S: ISO Problem was fixed almost immediately.

> > Bear: Did I really say "Snow Leopard ads"? Because I seem to
> > remember... wait, lemme scroll up... yeah, here it is... "It also
> > shows their newest ads to be ineffective.".

> > No mention of Snow Leopard in there anywhere... just ads. Your reading
> > comp needs work as well.

> > Buddy: Thanks for catching my colossal error... using an 's' instead
> > of a 'w' is just unforgivable... nevermind that my finger slipped a
> > fraction of a cm.

> > FUD isn't fact and facts aren't FUD. FUD, by definition, constitutes
> > fallacy and rhetoric. The graphs in the article I posted denote
> > reliable factual data from an unbiased source, ergo, they cannot be
> > FUD. Your entire argument was a waste of time since you clearly don't
> > know what FUD is.

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

> > Apple's Mac vs. PC commercials are primary examples of FUD.

> > On Nov 6, 12:11 pm, Uncle S <unclespongeh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > I must admit, I missed the 3 months, sorry.

> > > The $30 version is the exe that cannot reliably be turned into an iso,
> > > that is cause the endless reboots, right? The one Microsoft is
> > > refunding money for? That can't help the bottom line.

> > > On Nov 6, 11:57 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > How can a prediction be a lie?! Did you not see the "IN 3 MONTHS'
> > > > TIME" at the beginning of that sentence? God, your reading comp needs
> > > > work!

> > > > Pricing isn't a problem. Students and select Professionals can get
> > > > Windows 7 for $30.

> > > > On Nov 6, 11:42 am, Uncle S <unclespongeh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > "In 3 months time, Windows 7 market share will be almost double of
> > > > > Mac
> > > > > OS X's ENTIRE market share. "

> > > > > There you go with the lies again, Mattie. Windows 7 is double Snow
> > > > > Leopard, not all of OS X. OS X is still better than double OS X. Not
> > > > > for long, I agree, but you total disregard for the truth bothers me.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 11:37 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > You're a funny guy, ratty.

> > > > > > In 3 months time, Windows 7 market share will be almost double of Mac
> > > > > > OS X's ENTIRE market share.

> > > > > > Gronk... actually it's not. Keep in mind that we're in an economic low
> > > > > > point.

> > > > > > Bear... why advertise it? It's preloaded on new Apple hardware and 90+
> > > > > > % of computer users aren't allowed to buy and install it.

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:12 am, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:00 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Not really... Snow Leopard has been out far longer than Win 7. It also
> > > > > > > > shows their newest ads to be ineffective.

> > > > > > > Keep telling yourself that Maddie. But I think in 3 months time when
> > > > > > > it has all shaken down Windows 7 will not be as big a success as
> > > > > > > Microsoft needs it to be.

> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:57 am, Bear <bearonrollerska...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Excellent news for Apple!  This would indicate that roughly 1/3 of
> > > > > > > > > recent OS purchases (new computer + upgrade) are OSX.

> > > > > > > > > High five!

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:47 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Worldwide OS market share shows Windows 7 at 2.15% and Snow Leopard at
> > > > > > > > > > 1.17%.

> > > > > > > > > >http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/october-2009-os-stats-w...

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> By Brandon Dimmel of infopackets.com.
> Microsoft's chief software architect Ray Ozzie believes the company's
> operating system (OS) Windows 7 can and will make PCs just as slick
> and cool as their counterparts at Apple. Unfortunately, some early
> reviews of the OS suggest it might not be 'cool' enough to justify a
> $120 upgrade.
> In an interview with the New York Times late last week, Ozzie
> bristled
> at the idea that Windows 7 might change the way people think about
> PCs
> and using Microsoft operating systems -- something that in recent
> years, thanks to an effective Apple campaign making PC users out to
> be
> bumbling fools, has been something of a joke. "[Windows 7] gives us
> an
> opportunity as a software vendor to refresh our value proposition,"
> Ozzie said. "I just think it's an exciting time for Microsoft."

> Google, Apple Synonymous with 'Cool', Not MS
> Critics agree that Microsoft's image really does need a shot in the
> arm. "Microsoft sort of disappeared from the scene," said marketing
> and strategy specialist Regis McKenna, who believes that Microsoft
> might not be the go-to company when people think of truly cutting-
> edge
> tech innovation these days. "Every once in a while, they have a
> delayed Windows release or something like that. By and large, I think
> the marketplace is focused on what Google and Apple are up
> to." (Source: nytimes.com)
> CEO of Salesforce.com Marc Benioff wonders if the world is beginning
> to, or already has, passed Microsoft by. "They are trapped in their
> own psychosis that the world has to revolve around Windows on the
> PC,"
> he says . "Until they stop doing that, they will drag their company
> into the gutter."

> PC World says Win7 Upgrade Not Worth $120
> These kinds of comments are unlikely to sap Ozzie's excitement, for
> now. However, his happiness and Microsoft's momentum depend in large
> part on the commercial and critical success of Windows 7. And thus
> far, not all of the early reviews are good. In a recent blog for PC
> World, Jeff Bertolucci complained that although users upgrading to
> Win
> 7 will notice a boost in visual flair and performance over Vista, the
> improvement is modest.
> Is it worth a $120 upgrade? Bertolucci says no. "As much as I like
> what Microsoft's done with Windows 7, the improvements don't warrant
> such a steep fee, particularly for home users upgrading from the
> much-
> maligned Vista." As for XP users, the clean install requirement will
> force most of you to consider buying a whole new computer altogether.
> (Source: pcworld.com)
> Unfortunately, that's an even more expensive option than buying the
> $120 upgrade.

> On Nov 6, 10:47 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Worldwide OS market share shows Windows 7 at 2.15% and Snow Leopard at
> > 1.17%.

> >http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/october-2009-os-stats-w... Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> MS' image isn't cool enough? Some think that Windows 7 isn't worth
> $120?

> What's not cool is the image that Apple users have... Yuppies sitting
> in starbucks sipping on overpriced coffee trying to look important
> with their overpriced notebooks and phones.

> Apple is becoming the defacto logo for posers.

> On Nov 6, 1:15 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > Ohhhhhh mattie- what in the world? I believed you that windoze 7 was
> > worth it and now, look at this!!!!

> > By Brandon Dimmel of infopackets.com.
> > Microsoft's chief software architect Ray Ozzie believes the company's
> > operating system (OS) Windows 7 can and will make PCs just as slick
> > and cool as their counterparts at Apple. Unfortunately, some early
> > reviews of the OS suggest it might not be 'cool' enough to justify a
> > $120 upgrade.
> > In an interview with the New York Times late last week, Ozzie
> > bristled
> > at the idea that Windows 7 might change the way people think about
> > PCs
> > and using Microsoft operating systems -- something that in recent
> > years, thanks to an effective Apple campaign making PC users out to
> > be
> > bumbling fools, has been something of a joke. "[Windows 7] gives us
> > an
> > opportunity as a software vendor to refresh our value proposition,"
> > Ozzie said. "I just think it's an exciting time for Microsoft."

> > Google, Apple Synonymous with 'Cool', Not MS
> > Critics agree that Microsoft's image really does need a shot in the
> > arm. "Microsoft sort of disappeared from the scene," said marketing
> > and strategy specialist Regis McKenna, who believes that Microsoft
> > might not be the go-to company when people think of truly cutting-
> > edge
> > tech innovation these days. "Every once in a while, they have a
> > delayed Windows release or something like that. By and large, I think
> > the marketplace is focused on what Google and Apple are up
> > to." (Source: nytimes.com)
> > CEO of Salesforce.com Marc Benioff wonders if the world is beginning
> > to, or already has, passed Microsoft by. "They are trapped in their
> > own psychosis that the world has to revolve around Windows on the
> > PC,"
> > he says . "Until they stop doing that, they will drag their company
> > into the gutter."

> > PC World says Win7 Upgrade Not Worth $120
> > These kinds of comments are unlikely to sap Ozzie's excitement, for
> > now. However, his happiness and Microsoft's momentum depend in large
> > part on the commercial and critical success of Windows 7. And thus
> > far, not all of the early reviews are good. In a recent blog for PC
> > World, Jeff Bertolucci complained that although users upgrading to
> > Win
> > 7 will notice a boost in visual flair and performance over Vista, the
> > improvement is modest.
> > Is it worth a $120 upgrade? Bertolucci says no. "As much as I like
> > what Microsoft's done with Windows 7, the improvements don't warrant
> > such a steep fee, particularly for home users upgrading from the
> > much-
> > maligned Vista." As for XP users, the clean install requirement will
> > force most of you to consider buying a whole new computer altogether.
> > (Source: pcworld.com)
> > Unfortunately, that's an even more expensive option than buying the
> > $120 upgrade.

> > On Nov 6, 10:47 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Worldwide OS market share shows Windows 7 at 2.15% and Snow Leopard at
> > > 1.17%.

> > >http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/october-2009-os-stats-w... quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Bear: Did I really say "Snow Leopard ads"? Because I seem to
> remember... wait, lemme scroll up... yeah, here it is... "It also
> shows their newest ads to be ineffective.".

> No mention of Snow Leopard in there anywhere... just ads. Your reading
> comp needs work as well.

> MS' image isn't cool enough? Some think that Windows 7 isn't worth
> $120?

> What's not cool is the image that Apple users have... Yuppies sitting
> in starbucks sipping on overpriced coffee trying to look important
> with their overpriced notebooks and phones.

> Apple is becoming the defacto logo for posers.

> On Nov 6, 1:15 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > Ohhhhhh mattie- what in the world? I believed you that windoze 7 was
> > worth it and now, look at this!!!!

> > By Brandon Dimmel of infopackets.com.
> > Microsoft's chief software architect Ray Ozzie believes the company's
> > operating system (OS) Windows 7 can and will make PCs just as slick
> > and cool as their counterparts at Apple. Unfortunately, some early
> > reviews of the OS suggest it might not be 'cool' enough to justify a
> > $120 upgrade.
> > In an interview with the New York Times late last week, Ozzie
> > bristled
> > at the idea that Windows 7 might change the way people think about
> > PCs
> > and using Microsoft operating systems -- something that in recent
> > years, thanks to an effective Apple campaign making PC users out to
> > be
> > bumbling fools, has been something of a joke. "[Windows 7] gives us
> > an
> > opportunity as a software vendor to refresh our value proposition,"
> > Ozzie said. "I just think it's an exciting time for Microsoft."

> > Google, Apple Synonymous with 'Cool', Not MS
> > Critics agree that Microsoft's image really does need a shot in the
> > arm. "Microsoft sort of disappeared from the scene," said marketing
> > and strategy specialist Regis McKenna, who believes that Microsoft
> > might not be the go-to company when people think of truly cutting-
> > edge
> > tech innovation these days. "Every once in a while, they have a
> > delayed Windows release or something like that. By and large, I think
> > the marketplace is focused on what Google and Apple are up
> > to." (Source: nytimes.com)
> > CEO of Salesforce.com Marc Benioff wonders if the world is beginning
> > to, or already has, passed Microsoft by. "They are trapped in their
> > own psychosis that the world has to revolve around Windows on the
> > PC,"
> > he says . "Until they stop doing that, they will drag their company
> > into the gutter."

> > PC World says Win7 Upgrade Not Worth $120
> > These kinds of comments are unlikely to sap Ozzie's excitement, for
> > now. However, his happiness and Microsoft's momentum depend in large
> > part on the commercial and critical success of Windows 7. And thus
> > far, not all of the early reviews are good. In a recent blog for PC
> > World, Jeff Bertolucci complained that although users upgrading to
> > Win
> > 7 will notice a boost in visual flair and performance over Vista, the
> > improvement is modest.
> > Is it worth a $120 upgrade? Bertolucci says no. "As much as I like
> > what Microsoft's done with Windows 7, the improvements don't warrant
> > such a steep fee, particularly for home users upgrading from the
> > much-
> > maligned Vista." As for XP users, the clean install requirement will
> > force most of you to consider buying a whole new computer altogether.
> > (Source: pcworld.com)
> > Unfortunately, that's an even more expensive option than buying the
> > $120 upgrade.

> > On Nov 6, 10:47 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Worldwide OS market share shows Windows 7 at 2.15% and Snow Leopard at
> > > 1.17%.

> > >http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/october-2009-os-stats-w... quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> On Nov 6, 12:58 pm, Uncle S <unclespongeh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Windows 7 endless reboot problem stymies Microsoft - ComputerWorld/
> > Infoworld
> > Windows 7 Endless Reboot Answer Evades Microsoft - OSNews
> > Windows 7 Upgrade Woes Mount: Endless Reboots and Product Key Problems
> > - PC World

> > I'll admit I called you a liar by mistake, but you are a FUDster!

> > On Nov 6, 12:34 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Uncle S: ISO Problem was fixed almost immediately.

> > > Bear: Did I really say "Snow Leopard ads"? Because I seem to
> > > remember... wait, lemme scroll up... yeah, here it is... "It also
> > > shows their newest ads to be ineffective.".

> > > No mention of Snow Leopard in there anywhere... just ads. Your reading
> > > comp needs work as well.

> > > Buddy: Thanks for catching my colossal error... using an 's' instead
> > > of a 'w' is just unforgivable... nevermind that my finger slipped a
> > > fraction of a cm.

> > > FUD isn't fact and facts aren't FUD. FUD, by definition, constitutes
> > > fallacy and rhetoric. The graphs in the article I posted denote
> > > reliable factual data from an unbiased source, ergo, they cannot be
> > > FUD. Your entire argument was a waste of time since you clearly don't
> > > know what FUD is.

> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

> > > Apple's Mac vs. PC commercials are primary examples of FUD.

> > > On Nov 6, 12:11 pm, Uncle S <unclespongeh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > I must admit, I missed the 3 months, sorry.

> > > > The $30 version is the exe that cannot reliably be turned into an iso,
> > > > that is cause the endless reboots, right? The one Microsoft is
> > > > refunding money for? That can't help the bottom line.

> > > > On Nov 6, 11:57 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > How can a prediction be a lie?! Did you not see the "IN 3 MONTHS'
> > > > > TIME" at the beginning of that sentence? God, your reading comp needs
> > > > > work!

> > > > > Pricing isn't a problem. Students and select Professionals can get
> > > > > Windows 7 for $30.

> > > > > On Nov 6, 11:42 am, Uncle S <unclespongeh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > "In 3 months time, Windows 7 market share will be almost double of
> > > > > > Mac
> > > > > > OS X's ENTIRE market share. "

> > > > > > There you go with the lies again, Mattie. Windows 7 is double Snow
> > > > > > Leopard, not all of OS X. OS X is still better than double OS X. Not
> > > > > > for long, I agree, but you total disregard for the truth bothers me.

> > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:37 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > You're a funny guy, ratty.

> > > > > > > In 3 months time, Windows 7 market share will be almost double of Mac
> > > > > > > OS X's ENTIRE market share.

> > > > > > > Gronk... actually it's not. Keep in mind that we're in an economic low
> > > > > > > point.

> > > > > > > Bear... why advertise it? It's preloaded on new Apple hardware and 90+
> > > > > > > % of computer users aren't allowed to buy and install it.

> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:12 am, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:00 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Not really... Snow Leopard has been out far longer than Win 7. It also
> > > > > > > > > shows their newest ads to be ineffective.

> > > > > > > > Keep telling yourself that Maddie. But I think in 3 months time when
> > > > > > > > it has all shaken down Windows 7 will not be as big a success as
> > > > > > > > Microsoft needs it to be.

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:57 am, Bear <bearonrollerska...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Excellent news for Apple!  This would indicate that roughly 1/3 of
> > > > > > > > > > recent OS purchases (new computer + upgrade) are OSX.

> > > > > > > > > > High five!

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:47 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Worldwide OS market share shows Windows 7 at 2.15% and Snow Leopard at
> > > > > > > > > > > 1.17%.

> > > > > > > > > > >http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/october-2009-os-stats-w...

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> > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> don't you understand?

> Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> will remain.

> Please take a moment to absorb them.

> On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Invalid product key issue? You mean the people who purchased an
> upgrade version of 7 but are installing it as a full copy? Or the
> foolish people who think their RC1 product keys will activate the RTM?
> I know of no legit product key issue and there are no reports of any
> legit problems.

> Apple has peaked and is on it's way down. Now they're going to lock
> down jailbreaking on the iPhone. Once that's done, they're going to
> lose a chunk of customers to (an)Droid and eventually Windows Mobile
> 7.

> For the record, Snow Leopard has HUGE problems. Guest account delete
> problem still remains unfixed. There are many important Applications
> that are still broken in Snow Leopard. Reports of botched upgrades are
> still trickling in. HP printers are still having driver issues.

> http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gr...

> Compare Apple and Microsoft for a second...

> Apple has a very strict and unchanging 3 year old hardware base of
> less than 30 Macs, iMacs, and Macbooks which it knows everything
> about, yet it still has problems getting their latest OS point release
> to work properly several months after release.

> Microsoft has 8+ YEARS of legacy hardware that Windows 7 supports and
> they only have one remaining major issue to resolve. They've also put
> out surprisingly excellent antivirus software free of charge and were
> able to support virtually all legacy software with no issues AND grab
> almost double the OS presence than the competition.

> I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> software design and product support.

> On Nov 6, 3:25 pm, nasty midnighter <ssheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > AAPL is performing better than Microsoft right now.   Apple, right
> > now, is growing its market share in computers and handsets.  The
> > company just had (another) all-time record quarter, amidst the great
> > recession.  As of right now, its retail operation is hugely
> > successful.

> > Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> > with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> > will remain.

> > Please take a moment to absorb them.

> > On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Invalid product key issue? You mean the people who purchased an
> upgrade version of 7 but are installing it as a full copy? Or the
> foolish people who think their RC1 product keys will activate the RTM?
> I know of no legit product key issue and there are no reports of any
> legit problems.

> Apple has peaked and is on it's way down. Now they're going to lock
> down jailbreaking on the iPhone. Once that's done, they're going to
> lose a chunk of customers to (an)Droid and eventually Windows Mobile
> 7.

> For the record, Snow Leopard has HUGE problems. Guest account delete
> problem still remains unfixed. There are many important Applications
> that are still broken in Snow Leopard. Reports of botched upgrades are
> still trickling in. HP printers are still having driver issues.

> http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gr...

> Compare Apple and Microsoft for a second...

> Apple has a very strict and unchanging 3 year old hardware base of
> less than 30 Macs, iMacs, and Macbooks which it knows everything
> about, yet it still has problems getting their latest OS point release
> to work properly several months after release.

> Microsoft has 8+ YEARS of legacy hardware that Windows 7 supports and
> they only have one remaining major issue to resolve. They've also put
> out surprisingly excellent antivirus software free of charge and were
> able to support virtually all legacy software with no issues AND grab
> almost double the OS presence than the competition.

> I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> software design and product support.

> On Nov 6, 3:25 pm, nasty midnighter <ssheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > AAPL is performing better than Microsoft right now.   Apple, right
> > now, is growing its market share in computers and handsets.  The
> > company just had (another) all-time record quarter, amidst the great
> > recession.  As of right now, its retail operation is hugely
> > successful.

> > Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> > with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> > will remain.

> > Please take a moment to absorb them.

> > On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Invalid product key issue? You mean the people who purchased an
> upgrade version of 7 but are installing it as a full copy? Or the
> foolish people who think their RC1 product keys will activate the RTM?
> I know of no legit product key issue and there are no reports of any
> legit problems.

> Apple has peaked and is on it's way down. Now they're going to lock
> down jailbreaking on the iPhone. Once that's done, they're going to
> lose a chunk of customers to (an)Droid and eventually Windows Mobile
> 7.

> For the record, Snow Leopard has HUGE problems. Guest account delete
> problem still remains unfixed. There are many important Applications
> that are still broken in Snow Leopard. Reports of botched upgrades are
> still trickling in. HP printers are still having driver issues.

> http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gr...

> Compare Apple and Microsoft for a second...

> Apple has a very strict and unchanging 3 year old hardware base of
> less than 30 Macs, iMacs, and Macbooks which it knows everything
> about, yet it still has problems getting their latest OS point release
> to work properly several months after release.

> Microsoft has 8+ YEARS of legacy hardware that Windows 7 supports and
> they only have one remaining major issue to resolve. They've also put
> out surprisingly excellent antivirus software free of charge and were
> able to support virtually all legacy software with no issues AND grab
> almost double the OS presence than the competition.

> I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> software design and product support.

> On Nov 6, 3:25 pm, nasty midnighter <ssheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > AAPL is performing better than Microsoft right now.   Apple, right
> > now, is growing its market share in computers and handsets.  The
> > company just had (another) all-time record quarter, amidst the great
> > recession.  As of right now, its retail operation is hugely
> > successful.

> > Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> > with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> > will remain.

> > Please take a moment to absorb them.

> > On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Invalid product key issue? You mean the people who purchased an
> upgrade version of 7 but are installing it as a full copy? Or the
> foolish people who think their RC1 product keys will activate the RTM?
> I know of no legit product key issue and there are no reports of any
> legit problems.

> Apple has peaked and is on it's way down. Now they're going to lock
> down jailbreaking on the iPhone. Once that's done, they're going to
> lose a chunk of customers to (an)Droid and eventually Windows Mobile
> 7.

> For the record, Snow Leopard has HUGE problems. Guest account delete
> problem still remains unfixed. There are many important Applications
> that are still broken in Snow Leopard. Reports of botched upgrades are
> still trickling in. HP printers are still having driver issues.

> http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gr...

> Compare Apple and Microsoft for a second...

> Apple has a very strict and unchanging 3 year old hardware base of
> less than 30 Macs, iMacs, and Macbooks which it knows everything
> about, yet it still has problems getting their latest OS point release
> to work properly several months after release.

> Microsoft has 8+ YEARS of legacy hardware that Windows 7 supports and
> they only have one remaining major issue to resolve. They've also put
> out surprisingly excellent antivirus software free of charge and were
> able to support virtually all legacy software with no issues AND grab
> almost double the OS presence than the competition.

> I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> software design and product support.

> On Nov 6, 3:25 pm, nasty midnighter <ssheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > AAPL is performing better than Microsoft right now.   Apple, right
> > now, is growing its market share in computers and handsets.  The
> > company just had (another) all-time record quarter, amidst the great
> > recession.  As of right now, its retail operation is hugely
> > successful.

> > Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> > with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> > will remain.

> > Please take a moment to absorb them.

> > On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Fair enough. But they are where Microsoft gets all of their ideas. So
> you must HATE Microsoft products.

> On Nov 6, 3:46 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As I've said, the one remaining major Windows 7 issue is the endless
> > reboot.

> > Invalid product key issue? You mean the people who purchased an
> > upgrade version of 7 but are installing it as a full copy? Or the
> > foolish people who think their RC1 product keys will activate the RTM?
> > I know of no legit product key issue and there are no reports of any
> > legit problems.

> > Apple has peaked and is on it's way down. Now they're going to lock
> > down jailbreaking on the iPhone. Once that's done, they're going to
> > lose a chunk of customers to (an)Droid and eventually Windows Mobile
> > 7.

> > For the record, Snow Leopard has HUGE problems. Guest account delete
> > problem still remains unfixed. There are many important Applications
> > that are still broken in Snow Leopard. Reports of botched upgrades are
> > still trickling in. HP printers are still having driver issues.

> >http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gr...

> > Compare Apple and Microsoft for a second...

> > Apple has a very strict and unchanging 3 year old hardware base of
> > less than 30 Macs, iMacs, and Macbooks which it knows everything
> > about, yet it still has problems getting their latest OS point release
> > to work properly several months after release.

> > Microsoft has 8+ YEARS of legacy hardware that Windows 7 supports and
> > they only have one remaining major issue to resolve. They've also put
> > out surprisingly excellent antivirus software free of charge and were
> > able to support virtually all legacy software with no issues AND grab
> > almost double the OS presence than the competition.

> > I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> > software design and product support.

> > On Nov 6, 3:25 pm, nasty midnighter <ssheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > AAPL is performing better than Microsoft right now.   Apple, right
> > > now, is growing its market share in computers and handsets.  The
> > > company just had (another) all-time record quarter, amidst the great
> > > recession.  As of right now, its retail operation is hugely
> > > successful.

> > > Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> > > with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> > > will remain.

> > > Please take a moment to absorb them.

> > > On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > > > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > > > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > > > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -

> On Nov 6, 5:15 pm, Senator Gronk <danpoa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> > > software design and product support.

> > Fair enough. But they are where Microsoft gets all of their ideas. So
> > you must HATE Microsoft products.

> > On Nov 6, 3:46 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > As I've said, the one remaining major Windows 7 issue is the endless
> > > reboot.

> > > Invalid product key issue? You mean the people who purchased an
> > > upgrade version of 7 but are installing it as a full copy? Or the
> > > foolish people who think their RC1 product keys will activate the RTM?
> > > I know of no legit product key issue and there are no reports of any
> > > legit problems.

> > > Apple has peaked and is on it's way down. Now they're going to lock
> > > down jailbreaking on the iPhone. Once that's done, they're going to
> > > lose a chunk of customers to (an)Droid and eventually Windows Mobile
> > > 7.

> > > For the record, Snow Leopard has HUGE problems. Guest account delete
> > > problem still remains unfixed. There are many important Applications
> > > that are still broken in Snow Leopard. Reports of botched upgrades are
> > > still trickling in. HP printers are still having driver issues.

> > >http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gr...

> > > Compare Apple and Microsoft for a second...

> > > Apple has a very strict and unchanging 3 year old hardware base of
> > > less than 30 Macs, iMacs, and Macbooks which it knows everything
> > > about, yet it still has problems getting their latest OS point release
> > > to work properly several months after release.

> > > Microsoft has 8+ YEARS of legacy hardware that Windows 7 supports and
> > > they only have one remaining major issue to resolve. They've also put
> > > out surprisingly excellent antivirus software free of charge and were
> > > able to support virtually all legacy software with no issues AND grab
> > > almost double the OS presence than the competition.

> > > I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> > > software design and product support.

> > > On Nov 6, 3:25 pm, nasty midnighter <ssheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > AAPL is performing better than Microsoft right now.   Apple, right
> > > > now, is growing its market share in computers and handsets.  The
> > > > company just had (another) all-time record quarter, amidst the great
> > > > recession.  As of right now, its retail operation is hugely
> > > > successful.

> > > > Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> > > > with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> > > > will remain.

> > > > Please take a moment to absorb them.

> > > > On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > > > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > > > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > > > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > > > > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > > > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > > > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > > > > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > > > > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Invalid product key issue? You mean the people who purchased an
> upgrade version of 7 but are installing it as a full copy? Or the
> foolish people who think their RC1 product keys will activate the RTM?
> I know of no legit product key issue and there are no reports of any
> legit problems.

> Apple has peaked and is on it's way down. Now they're going to lock
> down jailbreaking on the iPhone. Once that's done, they're going to
> lose a chunk of customers to (an)Droid and eventually Windows Mobile
> 7.

> For the record, Snow Leopard has HUGE problems. Guest account delete
> problem still remains unfixed. There are many important Applications
> that are still broken in Snow Leopard. Reports of botched upgrades are
> still trickling in. HP printers are still having driver issues.

> http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gr...

> Compare Apple and Microsoft for a second...

> Apple has a very strict and unchanging 3 year old hardware base of
> less than 30 Macs, iMacs, and Macbooks which it knows everything
> about, yet it still has problems getting their latest OS point release
> to work properly several months after release.

> Microsoft has 8+ YEARS of legacy hardware that Windows 7 supports and
> they only have one remaining major issue to resolve. They've also put
> out surprisingly excellent antivirus software free of charge and were
> able to support virtually all legacy software with no issues AND grab
> almost double the OS presence than the competition.

> I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> software design and product support.

> On Nov 6, 3:25 pm, nasty midnighter <ssheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > AAPL is performing better than Microsoft right now.   Apple, right
> > now, is growing its market share in computers and handsets.  The
> > company just had (another) all-time record quarter, amidst the great
> > recession.  As of right now, its retail operation is hugely
> > successful.

> > Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> > with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> > will remain.

> > Please take a moment to absorb them.

> > On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+7+product+key+not+valid

> Analysis of your comparison

> Apple's "limited" production is viewed by many as a blessing rather
> than a curse. Too many choices and the decision becomes much tougher.
> I'll admit Leopard and Snow Leopard have had more problems than
> Apple's previous releases, but Vista and Windows 7 have more than
> their fair share of faults. That huge base of hardware options leads
> to a confusing array of potential problems.

> Snow Leopard is hardly a point release. The changes are mostly under
> the covers with Grand Central Dispatch and OpenCL, 64-bit kernel and
> drivers. Windows 7 actually is a point release. It is version 6.1,
> whereas Vista was 6.0. Both Snow Leopard and Windows 7 are
> evolutionary, rather than revolutionary. The desktop operating system
> is maturing we're not going to see the kind of changes we've seen in
> the past.

> Snow Leopard is limited to the Intel (x86/x64) platform, so older PPC
> computers are left with Leopard. If Snow Leopard is a point release as
> you say, they're really not missing out on much are they? Windows only
> runs on the x86/x64 platform, and has for years. The hurdle Windows
> faces is getting from the Win32 API of XP to the Windows Presentation
> Foundation (WPF), Windows Communication Foundation (WCF) and Workflow
> (WF) of Vista and Windows 7. Contrary to your opinion that virtually
> all legacy software will be supported with no issues, nothing could be
> further from the truth.

> Any mission critical/line of business software written for Windows in
> the last 10-20 years was written using the Win32 API. Go into any
> business running such software and you'll see it's running on XP and
> Server 2003. Ask them when they are upgrading to Windows 7 and they
> will tell you, "When our software provider says so". And the biggest
> roadblock of all is Microsoft's own doing, IE6. IE6 is the reason the
> corporate world is still running XP. There is no upward compatibility
> to IE7 or IE8. There is no conversion. Web applications written to IE6
> specifications must be rewritten. And IE6 won't run on Vista or 7.
> Enter XP Mode on Windows 7. Good luck with that.

> Talk about software design and support. IE6 was poorly conceived, and
> so poorly implemented that support was dropped with IE7. No
> compatibility mode, no conversion tool, nothing. Customers who
> invested in this technology are stuck there, living in the past. Apple
> puts Microsoft to shame when it comes to software design. Apple's
> Human Interface Design guidelines have provided the foundation for
> software development since the original Mac in 1984. When people talk
> about the consistent look and feel of Mac applications, that's what
> they are talking about.

> Mattie, you're really showing your ignorance with your last sentence.

> On Nov 6, 3:46 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As I've said, the one remaining major Windows 7 issue is the endless
> > reboot.

> > Invalid product key issue? You mean the people who purchased an
> > upgrade version of 7 but are installing it as a full copy? Or the
> > foolish people who think their RC1 product keys will activate the RTM?
> > I know of no legit product key issue and there are no reports of any
> > legit problems.

> > Apple has peaked and is on it's way down. Now they're going to lock
> > down jailbreaking on the iPhone. Once that's done, they're going to
> > lose a chunk of customers to (an)Droid and eventually Windows Mobile
> > 7.

> > For the record, Snow Leopard has HUGE problems. Guest account delete
> > problem still remains unfixed. There are many important Applications
> > that are still broken in Snow Leopard. Reports of botched upgrades are
> > still trickling in. HP printers are still having driver issues.

> >http://www.pcworld.com/article/171129/snow_leopard_users_4_biggest_gr...

> > Compare Apple and Microsoft for a second...

> > Apple has a very strict and unchanging 3 year old hardware base of
> > less than 30 Macs, iMacs, and Macbooks which it knows everything
> > about, yet it still has problems getting their latest OS point release
> > to work properly several months after release.

> > Microsoft has 8+ YEARS of legacy hardware that Windows 7 supports and
> > they only have one remaining major issue to resolve. They've also put
> > out surprisingly excellent antivirus software free of charge and were
> > able to support virtually all legacy software with no issues AND grab
> > almost double the OS presence than the competition.

> > I'm sorry, Apple just doesn't have my respect when it comes to overall
> > software design and product support.

> > On Nov 6, 3:25 pm, nasty midnighter <ssheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > AAPL is performing better than Microsoft right now.   Apple, right
> > > now, is growing its market share in computers and handsets.  The
> > > company just had (another) all-time record quarter, amidst the great
> > > recession.  As of right now, its retail operation is hugely
> > > successful.

> > > Draiko, you can chase ghosts and proclaim that Snow Leopard is riddled
> > > with problems (for the record: it isn't), but these hard cold facts
> > > will remain.

> > > Please take a moment to absorb them.

> > > On Nov 6, 3:16 pm, ratty <j...@insig.net> wrote:

> > > > On Nov 6, 1:20 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Excuse me, you're right about the endless reboot. That is the one
> > > > > problem that still remains. Microsoft seemingly snagged all others...
> > > > > not bad for  2 weeks out.

> > > > >http://rcpmag.com/articles/2009/11/03/fix-it-released-for-windows-7-u...

> > > > > Meanwhile, Snow Leopard still has unresolved installation issues, is
> > > > > still killing guest accounts, and breaking applications.

> > > > Madd? What part of it was in Leopard and has not effected many users
> > > > don't you understand?- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -