> And the stock is still below $200

> And you are still a fudding troll- high five, dingus!!

> On Nov 4, 4:24 pm, hogsgetslaughtered <jmt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > And the stock is still below $200- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Let me formally introduce you to the underlying concept behind Apple
> and the Apple culture... Groupthink

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

> Read it. Study it. Understand it.

> On Nov 4, 6:10 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > And you are still a fudding troll- high five, dingus!!

> > On Nov 4, 4:24 pm, hogsgetslaughtered <jmt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > And the stock is still below $200- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Let me formally introduce you to the underlying concept behind Apple
> and the Apple culture... Groupthink

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

> Read it. Study it. Understand it.

> On Nov 4, 6:10 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > And you are still a fudding troll- high five, dingus!!

> > On Nov 4, 4:24 pm, hogsgetslaughtered <jmt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > And the stock is still below $200- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> As usual, your totally wrong Matt (Drako.)
> Apple is an island of innovation in a sea of groupthink.
> A few examples:
> • Apple competitors imitate superficial traits of Apple's success
> without understanding the actual underlying reasons for their success
> (Cargo Cultism.)
> • Whatever Apple does, their competitors try to do a few years later
> and in a less competent way (insert list of most computer
> innovations.)
> • Apple competitors scramble to use exactly the same operating system
> (but then eschew interoperable hardware and open standards creating
> and Babel of incompatibilities.)
> • Apple competitors use focus groups and research "to innovate" but it
> always results in "same old same old" commodity crap or poorly thought
> out products.  This is because they are using their "research" to
> confirm their established groupthink notions of what the product
> should be.
> • By comparison Apple knows innovation doesn't come from surveys or
> focus groups. It comes from real research into what people *do* and
> how products fit in to their lives and activities.
> I suggest you go back and actually
> "Read it. Study it. Understand it."
> And stop lecturing people who understand things better than you do
> (which is almost everyone on this forum.)

> On Nov 5, 2:04 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Let me formally introduce you to the underlying concept behind Apple
> > and the Apple culture... Groupthink

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

> > Read it. Study it. Understand it.

> > On Nov 4, 6:10 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > > And you are still a fudding troll- high five, dingus!!

> > > On Nov 4, 4:24 pm, hogsgetslaughtered <jmt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > And the stock is still below $200- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Draiko - you never responded to my "business 101" discussion
> concerning profits vs volume in the iPhone in China thread yesterday
> morning.  My logic still holds and is fundamental to any business.
> Clearly you don't understand business 101.   IT business is my
> business.  Cheers.

> On Nov 5, 11:08 am, JPW <johnpwatk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As usual, your totally wrong Matt (Drako.)
> > Apple is an island of innovation in a sea ofgroupthink.
> > A few examples:
> > • Apple competitors imitate superficial traits of Apple's success
> > without understanding the actual underlying reasons for their success
> > (Cargo Cultism.)
> > • Whatever Apple does, their competitors try to do a few years later
> > and in a less competent way (insert list of most computer
> > innovations.)
> > • Apple competitors scramble to use exactly the same operating system
> > (but then eschew interoperable hardware and open standards creating
> > and Babel of incompatibilities.)
> > • Apple competitors use focus groups and research "to innovate" but it
> > always results in "same old same old" commodity crap or poorly thought
> > out products.  This is because they are using their "research" to
> > confirm their establishedgroupthinknotions of what the product
> > should be.
> > • By comparison Apple knows innovation doesn't come from surveys or
> > focus groups. It comes from real research into what people *do* and
> > how products fit in to their lives and activities.
> > I suggest you go back and actually
> > "Read it. Study it. Understand it."
> > And stop lecturing people who understand things better than you do
> > (which is almost everyone on this forum.)

> > On Nov 5, 2:04 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Let me formally introduce you to the underlying concept behind Apple
> > > and the Apple culture...Groupthink

> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

> > > Read it. Study it. Understand it.

> > > On Nov 4, 6:10 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > > > And you are still a fudding troll- high five, dingus!!

> > > > On Nov 4, 4:24 pm, hogsgetslaughtered <jmt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > And the stock is still below $200- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Oldtar: I'm sorry, I didn't see the rest of that thread... I was busy
> with life, work, etc.

> JPW: You don't seem to understand what Groupthink is.

> Let me show you the symptoms of Groupthink in relation to this board:

> 1. Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and
> encouraging risk taking.
> Look in the mirror for this one. How many of you bought AAPL when it
> was above $200? Why did you buy it above $200?

> 2. Rationalizing warnings that might challenge the group's
> assumptions.
> Look at what you guys say to me. Example: Some of you think that the
> 5,000 unit iPhone China Launch wasn't a problem because the sales will
> ramp up in the future.

> 3. Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members
> to ignore the consequences of their actions.
> Yeah, throwing personal insults at facts due to Unquestioned belief in
> your own morality. You guys can say no wrong as long as it's pro-
> Apple.

> 4. Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil,
> biased, spiteful, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.
> I can't even remember how many times I've been called a Troll, Balmer,
> MS FUDster... etc..

> 5. Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the
> group, couched in terms of "disloyalty".
> I bet Paul might have a few things to say about this.

> 6. Self censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group
> consensus.
> Look to yourselves for this one. I bet a good many of you have kept
> any anti-apple sentiments to yourselves at some point.

> 7. Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as
> agreement.
> Oldtar's post above is a prime example of this one... instead of
> agreement, he assumed my silence was a sign I relented.

> 8. Mind guards — self-appointed members who shield the group from
> dissenting information.
> Buddy is a prime example of this... He loves to change the titles to
> any Anti-Apple posts.

> So... there you go :)

> On Nov 5, 11:25 am, Oldtar <hsros...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Draiko - you never responded to my "business 101" discussion
> > concerning profits vs volume in the iPhone in China thread yesterday
> > morning.  My logic still holds and is fundamental to any business.
> > Clearly you don't understand business 101.   IT business is my
> > business.  Cheers.

> > On Nov 5, 11:08 am, JPW <johnpwatk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > As usual, your totally wrong Matt (Drako.)
> > > Apple is an island of innovation in a sea ofgroupthink.
> > > A few examples:
> > > • Apple competitors imitate superficial traits of Apple's success
> > > without understanding the actual underlying reasons for their success
> > > (Cargo Cultism.)
> > > • Whatever Apple does, their competitors try to do a few years later
> > > and in a less competent way (insert list of most computer
> > > innovations.)
> > > • Apple competitors scramble to use exactly the same operating system
> > > (but then eschew interoperable hardware and open standards creating
> > > and Babel of incompatibilities.)
> > > • Apple competitors use focus groups and research "to innovate" but it
> > > always results in "same old same old" commodity crap or poorly thought
> > > out products.  This is because they are using their "research" to
> > > confirm their establishedgroupthinknotions of what the product
> > > should be.
> > > • By comparison Apple knows innovation doesn't come from surveys or
> > > focus groups. It comes from real research into what people *do* and
> > > how products fit in to their lives and activities.
> > > I suggest you go back and actually
> > > "Read it. Study it. Understand it."
> > > And stop lecturing people who understand things better than you do
> > > (which is almost everyone on this forum.)

> > > On Nov 5, 2:04 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Let me formally introduce you to the underlying concept behind Apple
> > > > and the Apple culture...Groupthink

> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

> > > > Read it. Study it. Understand it.

> > > > On Nov 4, 6:10 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > > > > And you are still a fudding troll- high five, dingus!!

> > > > > On Nov 4, 4:24 pm, hogsgetslaughtered <jmt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > And the stock is still below $200- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Great emotional response.  I am busy with life too.  Remember IT is my
> business. But you still didn't respond to my "business 101" discussion
> in the "iPhone in China" thread.  I look at all my investing from a
> business perspective.  And real business is unemotional.  The bottom
> line always rules.  So I provided you with a very unemotional,
> unfanboy analysis.  Still waiting for your intelligent, unemotional,
> thought out response.  Cheers.

> On Nov 5, 12:34 pm, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Oldtar: I'm sorry, I didn't see the rest of that thread... I was busy
> > with life, work, etc.

> > JPW: You don't seem to understand what Groupthink is.

> > Let me show you the symptoms of Groupthink in relation to this board:

> > 1. Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and
> > encouraging risk taking.
> > Look in the mirror for this one. How many of you bought AAPL when it
> > was above $200? Why did you buy it above $200?

> > 2. Rationalizing warnings that might challenge the group's
> > assumptions.
> > Look at what you guys say to me. Example: Some of you think that the
> > 5,000 unit iPhone China Launch wasn't a problem because the sales will
> > ramp up in the future.

> > 3. Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members
> > to ignore the consequences of their actions.
> > Yeah, throwing personal insults at facts due to Unquestioned belief in
> > your own morality. You guys can say no wrong as long as it's pro-
> > Apple.

> > 4. Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil,
> > biased, spiteful, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.
> > I can't even remember how many times I've been called a Troll, Balmer,
> > MS FUDster... etc..

> > 5. Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the
> > group, couched in terms of "disloyalty".
> > I bet Paul might have a few things to say about this.

> > 6. Self censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group
> > consensus.
> > Look to yourselves for this one. I bet a good many of you have kept
> > any anti-apple sentiments to yourselves at some point.

> > 7. Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as
> > agreement.
> > Oldtar's post above is a prime example of this one... instead of
> > agreement, he assumed my silence was a sign I relented.

> > 8. Mind guards — self-appointed members who shield the group from
> > dissenting information.
> > Buddy is a prime example of this... He loves to change the titles to
> > any Anti-Apple posts.

> > So... there you go :)

> > On Nov 5, 11:25 am, Oldtar <hsros...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Draiko - you never responded to my "business 101" discussion
> > > concerning profits vs volume in the iPhone in China thread yesterday
> > > morning.  My logic still holds and is fundamental to any business.
> > > Clearly you don't understand business 101.   IT business is my
> > > business.  Cheers.

> > > On Nov 5, 11:08 am, JPW <johnpwatk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > As usual, your totally wrong Matt (Drako.)
> > > > Apple is an island of innovation in a sea ofgroupthink.
> > > > A few examples:
> > > > • Apple competitors imitate superficial traits of Apple's success
> > > > without understanding the actual underlying reasons for their success
> > > > (Cargo Cultism.)
> > > > • Whatever Apple does, their competitors try to do a few years later
> > > > and in a less competent way (insert list of most computer
> > > > innovations.)
> > > > • Apple competitors scramble to use exactly the same operating system
> > > > (but then eschew interoperable hardware and open standards creating
> > > > and Babel of incompatibilities.)
> > > > • Apple competitors use focus groups and research "to innovate" but it
> > > > always results in "same old same old" commodity crap or poorly thought
> > > > out products.  This is because they are using their "research" to
> > > > confirm their establishedgroupthinknotions of what the product
> > > > should be.
> > > > • By comparison Apple knows innovation doesn't come from surveys or
> > > > focus groups. It comes from real research into what people *do* and
> > > > how products fit in to their lives and activities.
> > > > I suggest you go back and actually
> > > > "Read it. Study it. Understand it."
> > > > And stop lecturing people who understand things better than you do
> > > > (which is almost everyone on this forum.)

> > > > On Nov 5, 2:04 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Let me formally introduce you to the underlying concept behind Apple
> > > > > and the Apple culture...Groupthink

> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

> > > > > Read it. Study it. Understand it.

> > > > > On Nov 4, 6:10 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > > > > > And you are still a fudding troll- high five, dingus!!

> > > > > > On Nov 4, 4:24 pm, hogsgetslaughtered <jmt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > And the stock is still below $200- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Oldtar: I'm sorry, I didn't see the rest of that thread... I was busy
> with life, work, etc.

> JPW: You don't seem to understand what Groupthink is.

> Let me show you the symptoms of Groupthink in relation to this board:

> 1. Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and
> encouraging risk taking.
> Look in the mirror for this one. How many of you bought AAPL when it
> was above $200? Why did you buy it above $200?

> 2. Rationalizing warnings that might challenge the group's
> assumptions.
> Look at what you guys say to me. Example: Some of you think that the
> 5,000 unit iPhone China Launch wasn't a problem because the sales will
> ramp up in the future.

> 3. Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members
> to ignore the consequences of their actions.
> Yeah, throwing personal insults at facts due to Unquestioned belief in
> your own morality. You guys can say no wrong as long as it's pro-
> Apple.

> 4. Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil,
> biased, spiteful, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.
> I can't even remember how many times I've been called a Troll, Balmer,
> MS FUDster... etc..

> 5. Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the
> group, couched in terms of "disloyalty".
> I bet Paul might have a few things to say about this.

> 6. Self censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group
> consensus.
> Look to yourselves for this one. I bet a good many of you have kept
> any anti-apple sentiments to yourselves at some point.

> 7. Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as
> agreement.
> Oldtar's post above is a prime example of this one... instead of
> agreement, he assumed my silence was a sign I relented.

> 8. Mind guards — self-appointed members who shield the group from
> dissenting information.
> Buddy is a prime example of this... He loves to change the titles to
> any Anti-Apple posts.

> So... there you go :)

> On Nov 5, 11:25 am, Oldtar <hsros...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Draiko - you never responded to my "business 101" discussion
> > concerning profits vs volume in the iPhone in China thread yesterday
> > morning.  My logic still holds and is fundamental to any business.
> > Clearly you don't understand business 101.   IT business is my
> > business.  Cheers.

> > On Nov 5, 11:08 am, JPW <johnpwatk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > As usual, your totally wrong Matt (Drako.)
> > > Apple is an island of innovation in a sea ofgroupthink.
> > > A few examples:
> > > • Apple competitors imitate superficial traits of Apple's success
> > > without understanding the actual underlying reasons for their success
> > > (Cargo Cultism.)
> > > • Whatever Apple does, their competitors try to do a few years later
> > > and in a less competent way (insert list of most computer
> > > innovations.)
> > > • Apple competitors scramble to use exactly the same operating system
> > > (but then eschew interoperable hardware and open standards creating
> > > and Babel of incompatibilities.)
> > > • Apple competitors use focus groups and research "to innovate" but it
> > > always results in "same old same old" commodity crap or poorly thought
> > > out products.  This is because they are using their "research" to
> > > confirm their establishedgroupthinknotions of what the product
> > > should be.
> > > • By comparison Apple knows innovation doesn't come from surveys or
> > > focus groups. It comes from real research into what people *do* and
> > > how products fit in to their lives and activities.
> > > I suggest you go back and actually
> > > "Read it. Study it. Understand it."
> > > And stop lecturing people who understand things better than you do
> > > (which is almost everyone on this forum.)

> > > On Nov 5, 2:04 am, Draiko <matt.delmas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Let me formally introduce you to the underlying concept behind Apple
> > > > and the Apple culture...Groupthink

> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

> > > > Read it. Study it. Understand it.

> > > > On Nov 4, 6:10 pm, Buddy <flo2...@mac.com> wrote:

> > > > > And you are still a fudding troll- high five, dingus!!

> > > > > On Nov 4, 4:24 pm, hogsgetslaughtered <jmt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > And the stock is still below $200- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> And the stock is still below $200