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From: PP Y <papaya2...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:53:05 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 3 2009 8:53 pm
Subject: FDIC's Failure As A Federal Regulator- 6 of 7 Banks Seized Fell Under Its Supervision (Class NM)
Why is FDIC not being held accountable for its failure in supervision
but praised for its efficiency in shutting down banks? Why is FDIC practically using our tax money to share losses and wiping out shareholders because it failed its job to supervise properly? "Regulators shut down the John Warner Bank of Clinton, Ill.; the First
"The FDIC and The First National Bank of Beardstown entered into a
All these banks except for First National Bank fell under FDIC
This is the first page of the latest failed bank list on the FDIC
Mirae Bank (NM) June 26, 2009
Why would anyone want to buy any bank? As long as our regulators don't
"The FDIC today released a memorandum designed to provide guidlines to
Pursuant to the proposed policy statement, the Investors’ holding
Now, some might recall that banks were judged on their Tier 1 ratio
FDIC now has the power to borrow up to $500 billion, and is that not
Wait, did I forget to mention FDIC is also backing over $300 billion
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From: matt <m...@matthewmurphy.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:28:11 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 10 2009 5:28 am
Subject: Re: FDIC's Failure As A Federal Regulator- 6 of 7 Banks Seized Fell Under Its Supervision (Class NM)
On Jul 3, 5:53 pm, PP Y <papaya2...@gmail.com> wrote:
The FDIC is only the *backup* regulator for state-chartered Federal Reserve Nonmember (NM) banks. It generally cannot take direct action against a state-chartered institution except in the most egregious of circumstances, or in the case of direct violation of one of the FDIC- enforced consumer protection laws (i.e., the FTC Act). The overwhelming majority of our nation's banks are state-chartered Fed nonmember banks. Even if 70% of failures fell under the NM classification, that would be relatively low given the overall prevalence of the NM charter class in the market. By far the largest failure and assistance liabilities for the FDIC (the five Citigroup- linked banks/thrifts, Bank of America, IndyMac, BankUnited, ...) were all either national banks regulated by OCC, or thrifts regulated by OTS. The state regulators have actually done a far better job than OTS, OCC, etc., at enforcing the capital rules. > Why would anyone want to buy any bank? As long as our regulators don't
The FDIC does not seize banks, nor decide which ones are open and
> follow rules nobody would want to deal with the government. Sheila > Bair now says these private investors must maintain a tier I capital > ratio of at least 15% but back when Wamu had a tier I capital ratio of > 8.4% (yes not as high as 15% but a pretty good number at that time) > she still seized it. which ones are closed. The FDIC can only accept or decline appointment as receiver for banks that have already been closed by their primary regulator. The agency that closed WaMu was the Office of Thrift Supervision, not the FDIC. Furthermore, the chief objective of the banking regulators is *NOT* to
place it in conservatorship. The FDIC had a plan for an Open Bank Assistance & Acquisition (A/A) transaction with Citigroup, but it deliberately allowed Wachovia to remain open. Wachovia ended up being bought in an unassisted sale by Wells Fargo and Co., hence no federal intervention. As noted above, WaMu was closed because of a crippling ($300 million
> FDIC now has the power to borrow up to $500 billion, and is that not
The FDIC borrowing authority is only $100 billion, not $500 billion.
> tax money? Chris Dodd proposed the $500 billion number when the health of Citigroup, Bank of America, et al. was in question, but it didn't end up going that high in the final legislation. Treasury borrowing is in fact borrowing tax dollars. However, the
> Bair's original proposal was to collect only $27 billion
I don't think you understand how insurance systems work. The idea is
> from special assessment fees this year so how long do you think it > will take FDIC to pay back whatever it borrows? Its DIF ratio > continues to plummet; as of last quarter, it was at 0.27%. That means > for every $100 you deposit you can really only get $0.27 back. that you take money from all the banks, and insure them all against failure. You can't collect a dollar for every dollar of deposits, or you'd have no deposits. So, what you do is, you collect the statutory 1.5% of those deposits and then you basically pray that the banks that fail at any one time hold less than 1.5% of deposits. Typically, it's actually a sane bet, as large banks are unlikely to be allowed to fail and even small banks don't routinely fail. Even in a good environment, when the DIF is at its statutory maximum
> Wait, did I forget to mention FDIC is also backing over $300 billion
TLGP backing is virtually risk free for the FDIC; the odds that a
> of bank bonds for Goldman Sachs etc? large bank like Goldman Sachs would: A) fail; and
are essentially zero, as most of the big banks have been explicitly
Also, the FDIC is paid a fee for its guarantee, just as it is for
> Its great GS is paying back TARP
TLGP backing of banks' debt is due to end in a few months. One of the
> but why should it give out record bonus this year when the US > government is still backing its bonds? conditions for exiting TARP (and therefore paying unregulated bonuses) was that the bank issue unbacked debt without an FDIC guarantee. Once the FDIC guarantees on existing debt expire at maturity, the bank will have been completely re-privatized. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: SheilaNAZI <takamiyada...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:12:26 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 10 2009 10:12 am
Subject: Re: FDIC's Failure As A Federal Regulator- 6 of 7 Banks Seized Fell Under Its Supervision (Class NM)
Washington Mutual Bank (WAMU) shareholders are uniting to challenge
the actions of the FDIC (the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation) and JPM (JP Morgan) prior to the seizure of Washington Mutual bank. Shareholders contend: 1) that these actions were unjustified 2) that they were unethical 3) that Washington Mutual Bank was not failing. As evidence of our claims, reports now surfacing indicate the liquidity of the bank was much better than the public was led to believe; by most accounts, the bank had enough funds to cover the withdrawals by depositors. Washington Mutual executives knew these facts; however, their claims made days before the seizure that the bank was in good health were ignored. We the concerned shareholders of WAMU contend that the FDIC was not right in doing so and has caused irreparable harm to the WAMU stockholders, to the banking community and to the markets in general. As a result of this action, shareholders of thousands of companies throughout the world have lost trillions of dollars since. The FDIC seized Washington Mutual Bank saying there had been a bank
In short, the FDIC acted prematurely, behind closed doors. The
The FDIC needs to be held accountable for its short sighted action
The result of the FDIC’s hasty and secretive action was that the
Never has the law been applied with such disregard for its intention.
Coincidentally, JPMorgan has been the institution which has profited
Is this coincidence? We think not. We demand the FBI and the
One of our goals is that the assets or at least the asset value of
On Jul 10, 2:28 am, matt <m...@matthewmurphy.net> wrote:
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From: SheilaNAZI <takamiyada...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 10 2009 10:13 am
Subject: Re: FDIC's Failure As A Federal Regulator- 6 of 7 Banks Seized Fell Under Its Supervision (Class NM)
How J.P. Morgan Raised $11.5 Billion in 24 Hours
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/09/29/how-jp-morgan-raised-115-billio...
Three weeks before JPMorgan bought WaMu’s deposits for $1.9 billion,
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/09/29/how-jp-morgan-raised-115-billio...
Since the seizure, JPMorgan and the FDIC have challenged Washington
http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN30259446200...
01/22/09: JPMorgan objects to having to show what they bought (file
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229090122000000000001.pdf
Claim against the FDIC
02/05/09: Weil and Gotshal have filed a claim against the FDIC
Page 9
SEC did not do its job; illegal short selling damaged WaMu
7/21/08: SEC bans “naked” short selling in certain financial stocks.
http://www.sec.gov/rules/other/2008/34-58166.pdf
http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/7222008_Short_Sell_Banks.asp
9/17/08: SEC bans “naked” short selling of all stocks.
http://www.sec.gov/rules/other/2008/34-58572.pdf
9/18/08: SEC bans short selling of 799 financial companies, including
http://www.sec.gov/rules/other/2008/34-58592.pdf
General resource on the surrounding economic legislation and SEC and
http://www.philadelphiafed.org/payment-cards-center/legislative-updat...
Did the FDIC do their job properly after the seizure of Washington
Sheila Bair, in a 60 Minutes episode which aired on March 8, 2009,
9-17-08: A WSJ article states that WaMu has hired Goldman Sachs to
9-18-08: WaMu's rating slips to a 4 and is placed on the FDIC's watch
9-19-08, Friday: FDIC talks with JPM about WaMu. (From JPM
9-22-08, Monday: FDIC meets with JPM. (From JPM presentation)
9-24-08, Wednesday: 4 banks reportedly submitted bids/plans to FDIC by
FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair told reporters on Thursday that after an
Which other organizations bid for WaMu, and the contents of those
9-24-08, Wednesday 6:44PM: JPM submits bid to FDIC of $1,888M
9-25-08, Thursday: OTS seizes WaMu and gives it to FDIC
9-26-08, Friday: FDIC sells WaMu to JPM for $1,888,000,000.
2-26-09: JPM states that the WaMu transaction was 'very non-
Did the FDIC do a fair and impartial auction?
Were all banks given the same information at the same time? By some
FDIC regulations as quoted from their official website:
http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/1000-1220.html#1000sec.11d
12 U.S.C. 1821(d)
How Did JPMorgan Chase (JPM) Profit from the purchase of WaMu's
JPMORGAN CHASE Acquires the deposits, assets and certain liabilities
JPM's Bid For WaMu via FOIA Request
http://wmish.com/docs/gib/JPMorgan_Bid_September_24_2008.pdf
What Did JPM Purchase?
It is still not clear exactly what JPM purchased from the FDIC on
It appears that that Schedule 3.1a had been intended to be more
http://www.fdic.gov/about/freedom/Washington_Mutual_P_and_A.pdf
An early rough draft was obtained by FOIA request:
http://wmish.com/docs/gib/Washington_Mutual_Bank_Closing_Book.pdf
What Did JPM Gain?
JPM had long coveted WaMu's West coast branch network, and had earlier
Through the seizure and acquisition, JPM expanded its' banking
They were also given the ability to return any branches they didn't
JPM's 10K, ... You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Dimoncrooks <takamiyada...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 10 2009 10:53 am
Subject: Re: FDIC's Failure As A Federal Regulator- 6 of 7 Banks Seized Fell Under Its Supervision (Class NM)
The OTS seized the bank and placed it into receivership with the FDIC.
Howeveer, I think the OTS was under immense pressure from Paulson and Bair to seize WaMu. They never gave any written notice to WaMu that they needed to increase liquidity. The fact that the FDIC/OTS violated their very own rule on this issue is just one of the glaring problems with the seizure. On Jul 3, 5:53 pm, PP Y <papaya2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: BigT <shoremast...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:54:08 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 10 2009 5:54 pm
Subject: Re: FDIC's Failure As A Federal Regulator- 6 of 7 Banks Seized Fell Under Its Supervision (Class NM)
Taka, clever, thanks for the effort, well done.
On Jul 10, 10:53 am, Dimoncrooks <takamiyada...@gmail.com> wrote:
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