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Message from discussion Either they lose it all or AIB is worthy enough to raise its capital privately when the time comes...
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 More options Nov 6 2009, 8:51 am
From: spiritof79 <john.patrick.mcallis...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 8:51 am
Subject: Re: Either they lose it all or AIB is worthy enough to raise its capital privately when the time comes...
couldn't have put it better myself!

On 5 Nov, 22:07, Fliujniligui <fliujnili...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/1105/aib.html

> 150 investors lent money to AIB without being secured against state
> guarantee.  Buying a bond means lending money to the seller.  In this
> case AIB sells the bond and this means that investors who are
> supposed
> to be professionals accepted to lend to AIB for 5 years without
> guarantee from government.  They do risk to lose all their money in
> the case of a failure or nationalization.  These investors are either
> totally stupid if they think AIB can't raise capital on its own since
> this will cause them to lose all their cash in this failure scenario.
> I guess those "noobs" assessed the situation and see the loan to AIB
> as relatively solid and safe.  By the way,  it is not in any finance
> book or mutual fund prospectus, but a good rule of thumb is that you
> only lend money to parties you think it would be wise to take an
> equity part.  If the party is equity-wise investment, this means that
> the bond has good chance to be repaid,  if the party doesn't seem to
> be a good equity investment, you only lend money to it against a high
> risk premium and a solid guarantee/collateralization.

> Many pension funds and investors messed themselves up by thinking
> that
> bonds are safer than stocks because bond lien is senior to stocks,
> but what you want when you invest is not a strong lien in a sht
> business,  you want a strong business in which the lien doesn't even
> matter!  The better is if you get that cheaply!


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