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From: timturks <timtu...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:41:17 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Dec 31 2007 10:41 pm
Subject: Understanding market behavior
Maybe somone has the explanation as to how some of this works. ATS
for the months of November and December traveled downward in share price. There was no news during these months posted by the company Lately ATS has started to climb - again there has been no recent news posted by the company I am a new investor so I am trying to figure out how this works. I
I have also noticed that if the share price closes higher during a run
So in other words it is a daily supply and demand situation taking
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From: Richard.Hall...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:06:02 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2008 1:06 am
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
Volume is very low with ATS so supply/demand doesn't apply well. With
volume this low it is important to place a price limit on your trades or you could get surprised. Traders have limited buys at very low prices and limited sells at very high ones. Late today (12/31) I put in a sell at $2.10 and had to wait a while before someone took me up on it. A few minutes later it traded at $2.40. Someone paid too much, since the last trade of the day was a more reasonable $2.15. Using the Google graph for 1 day it is instructive to see prices that match the volume through the day. You then realize that the candlestick charts give a misleading picture when stray trades occur. Another thing to consider with ATS is that it is traded in HK when the US market is closed. Price changes in HK or US drive prices at the other place. To see the price differences look at http://chinabizfocus.com/modules/InvestChina/stockideas.php?sel=tradi... As you say, little is know about this company on this side. Perhaps the Chinese know more. And they can signal that through their trading. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: timturks <timtu...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:39:43 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2008 4:39 am
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
Thanks for the link it is helpfull.
As I mentioned I am a new investor so I am not sure what you meant by this "Using the Google graph for 1 day it is instructive to see prices that match the volume through the day. You then realize that the candlestick charts give a misleading picture when stray trades occur" Can you elaborate on this in layman's terms please. Like I said the last trade for today was a large sell see - http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?submitted=true&i... - yet the share price did not drop as a result - how is this explained? I agree that ATS volume is normally low but as I said these last few
Was I somewhat correct in my analysis of how a stock price moves?
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From: Richard.Hall...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:05:20 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2008 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
First for charts. You are looking at a stock that trades so lightly
with 1 hour bars and that gives the wrong picture. Take a look at a 1 day chart with 1 minute for ATS http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=ats;range=1d;indicator=... You will see that trades do not happen at all times. The rush at the end of the day (Dec 31, 2007 - if the link is followed
Another reason is that someone places limit bids at rare prices like
Think of selling a house in a hot or cool market. Also realize that
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From: Richard.Hall...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:20:12 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2008 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
Example Here is the Level II quotes at noon PST Jan 1
Level ll Quote for APT SATELLITE HOLDINGS LTD (ATS: New York)
$2.24 0 1 $2.50
(total size 0 is rounded. It is a small number)
So if you wanted to buy and didn't set a limit you could get it at
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From: patri...@umilp.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:24:59 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2008 4:24 pm
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
low volume stocks can be manipulated much easier by insiders of
someone with a big stake. personally I have found it better to stay away from very low volume stocks, you may even have a hard time getting out when you want to for your price if there are no takers. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: timturks <timtu...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:17:07 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 1 2008 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
I was unaware that it works this way. I have seen level ll breakdown
before at http://www.otcbb.com/asp/Info_Center.asp but I did not understand what it meant. I guess I have had luck on my side as I do place limits on my orders as a safety. One of the criteria for my new investments is the stock needs to have
HIMX, SIMG, ACTS, AWG, GBT
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From: Richard.Hall...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:40:43 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Jan 2 2008 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
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From: timturks <timtu...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:48:09 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 3 2008 7:48 pm
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
I never heard of them either until I did a search for possible
investments for 2008 using the criteria I mentioned earlier. All of these companies have been performing well financially for 2006
I am not sure if this is a good indicator or not but HIMX, ACTS AND
Info is coming out now on last quarter results for a lot of companies
Looks like the market for January at least will be performing poorly
One last note - you are aware the letters I listed are the companies
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From: Richard.Hall...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:30:11 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Jan 4 2008 2:30 am
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
As I said I sold ATS at $2.10 taking a small profit and watched it
continue up. I have learned to not wait until the peak since by the time you know it peaks it has already come down. Things worked out very well since I took the proceeds and bought HOKU
The January market is doing well in the emerging markets and resource
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From: timturks <timtu...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:37:12 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Jan 4 2008 3:37 am
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
I am curious as to why you would invest in HOKU with numbers like
these? EPS: -0.30
Key Stats &
Sep
Net Profit Margin -420.08%
ENEI that you mention is also displaying poor numbers
Total Equity -27.04
EPS: -0.07
Key
Sept07 2006 TTM
Net Profit Margin
What criteria are you using to pick stocks?
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From: Richard.Hall...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:48:46 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Jan 5 2008 2:48 am
Subject: Re: Understanding market behavior
Look for bargains. Buy Lowish sell Highish. Very hard to pick the
top or bottom. Didn't mean to keep HOKU for long, sold it already. May buy some ATS
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