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2008-02-15T11:40:57Z

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Rises on a horizon?

2008-01-30T05:16:48Z

As China becomes more and more of a power, the economic growth will
explode and a handful of companies will become tremendous money
makers. Albeit, depending on the politics of the region in the next
few years and as things change around the world could this possibly be
one of them?

Jason

What about the grey area?

2008-01-06T17:01:24Z

Yes the market as a whole for 2008 will continue to perform poorly but
that does not mean every single stock will do so also. Why do most
people only see things in black and white and not discuss the grey
areas?
Believe it or not there were stocks in 2007 that made a 25% return
seem small and there will also be stocks in 2008 that will do the

Re: More valleys than hills on this roller coaster

2008-01-05T11:15:37Z

OK - first of all I thought I was the only one posting messages
between 1:00 AM and 5:00 AM - secondly what you are saying about not
holding on until it is too late is probably true. It is just so hard
to let go when for a short while it looked like things were starting
to turn around. How will I ever know if this will be the case when

Re: More valleys than hills on this roller coaster

2008-01-05T08:04:39Z

A roller coaster goes up and down, the stock market is different.
Some stocks never return to previous levels. Some companies sell off
part of their assets to continue. From then on they are clearly not
worth as much. Such is the case with so many financials - they made
bad investments and the financial data that the high stock prices were

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-05T07:48:46Z

Look for bargains. Buy Lowish sell Highish. Very hard to pick the
top or bottom.

Didn't mean to keep HOKU for long, sold it already. May buy some ATS
again, if it falls a little further.

Repeat often - get rich.

More valleys than hills on this roller coaster

2008-01-05T04:21:09Z

I have been told that investing in the stock market is like riding a
roller coaster except your emotions respond the opposite. In other
words as your going up the incline you have a feeling of exuberance
but when you get to the top and start traveling downward instead of
elation you experience disappointment and anticipation of the next

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-04T08:37:12Z

I am curious as to why you would invest in HOKU with numbers like
these?

EPS: -0.30

Key Stats &
Ratios

Sep
'07 (2007) Annual (TTM)

Net Profit Margin -420.08%

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-04T07:30:11Z

As I said I sold ATS at $2.10 taking a small profit and watched it
continue up. I have learned to not wait until the peak since by the
time you know it peaks it has already come down.

Things worked out very well since I took the proceeds and bought HOKU
which is up about 15% today. I found it while looking at the stocks

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-04T00:48:09Z

I never heard of them either until I did a search for possible
investments for 2008 using the criteria I mentioned earlier.

All of these companies have been performing well financially for 2006
and 2007, good eps, good volume etc...
They appear to be undervalued and the market is starting to make the

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-02T23:40:43Z

I've never heard of them.

Re: Learning from my mistakes

2008-01-02T07:49:52Z

I do not get involved with hedge funds nor do I rely on analyst for
info.

What are some other ways to protect yourself from the manipulation
you describe? I know you mentioned avoiding stocks with low volume -
what else do you recommend?
Again -thanks for the feedback

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-02T01:17:07Z

I was unaware that it works this way. I have seen level ll breakdown
before at [link] but I did not
understand what it meant. I guess I have had luck on my side as I do
place limits on my orders as a safety.

One of the criteria for my new investments is the stock needs to have

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-01T21:24:59Z

low volume stocks can be manipulated much easier by insiders of
someone with a big stake. personally I have found it better to stay
away from very low volume stocks, you may even have a hard time
getting out when you want to for your price if there are no takers.

Re: Learning from my mistakes

2008-01-01T21:18:29Z

i have been trading for about one year...lots of "potential" profits
on my portfolio. You forgot one thing...be aware of stock
manipulation..hedge funds and crooked analysts. For a good example
check out LDK, a chineese solar company. the message boards will fill
you in. Even good news can be followed by a downfall. All the homewrk

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-01T20:20:12Z

Example Here is the Level II quotes at noon PST Jan 1

Level ll Quote for APT SATELLITE HOLDINGS LTD (ATS: New York)
Bid
Ask
Price Total Size # of Orders Price Total Size # of
Orders

$2.24 0 1 $2.50
0 1

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-01T20:05:20Z

First for charts. You are looking at a stock that trades so lightly
with 1 hour bars and that gives the wrong picture.
Take a look at a 1 day chart with 1 minute for ATS
[link]

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-01T09:39:43Z

Thanks for the link it is helpfull.
As I mentioned I am a new investor so I am not sure what you meant by
this "Using the Google graph for 1 day it is instructive to see prices
that
match the volume through the day. You then realize that the
candlestick charts give a misleading picture when stray trades occur"

Re: Understanding market behavior

2008-01-01T06:06:02Z

Volume is very low with ATS so supply/demand doesn't apply well. With
volume this low it is important to place a price limit on your trades
or you could get surprised. Traders have limited buys at very low
prices and limited sells at very high ones. Late today (12/31) I put
in a sell at $2.10 and had to wait a while before someone took me up

Understanding market behavior

2008-01-01T03:41:17Z

Maybe somone has the explanation as to how some of this works. ATS
for the months of November and December traveled downward in share
price. There was no news during these months posted by the company
Lately ATS has started to climb - again there has been no recent news
posted by the company

Re: Applying my new criteria to stock picks for 2008

2008-01-01T03:05:58Z

I somewhat agree but I believe my original investments will at least
get to where they were when I bought them - at least most of them.
You see I bought in early November when they were all low and they
are now starting to climb. All are involved in the Asian industries
sector and I think American investors are starting to realize this is

Re: Applying my new criteria to stock picks for 2008

2008-01-01T00:04:31Z

Most important is to not wait until your "original investments get to
at least what I paid for
them" That may never happen or you may be missing good oportunities
while waiting.

Applying my new criteria to stock picks for 2008

2007-12-30T09:08:08Z

As I said earlier I think I have learned from my previous mistakes. I
have applied my new criteria when looking for possible investments for
2008 (provided my original investments get to at least what I paid for
them) and have found the following companies to be a good choice I
believe. What does anyone else think of these companies?

Learning from my mistakes

2007-12-26T04:00:20Z

As a new investor (3 months) I believe I have made some mistakes and
have learned from them.
I thought I would post here what I believe now to be the right way to
do things maybe in doing so helping other new investors so they won't
have to lose money like I did.
This applies to a semi-long term investor,(1 to 5 years), I believe

Learning from my mistakes

2007-12-26T03:59:48Z

INDICATION YOU HAVE BOUGHT THE WRONG STOCK

2007-12-24T17:58:58Z

When all markets are performing well 3 consecutive days yet your
stock doesn't

Re: Listed Companies in the United States Repeated Experience of Collective Action

2007-12-17T23:12:35Z

I think the author of the report may need to take some English classes
in his spare time.

Or in speaking the language used in the report

I think author report need English in time

Re: Learning the market the hard way

2007-12-11T14:25:56Z

I did not mean to convey that I did not think this was a good company
to invest in - I just bought 14,500 shares 2 days ago - the message I
was trying to get across is because of the lack of marketing very few
people are paying attention to this stock.

The fact that you and I are the only 2 people posting messages on a

Re: Learning the market the hard way

2007-12-11T06:09:31Z

I think most of those taking a long position in ATS is hoping
something huge to happens, as there was an unusually peak time earlier
Oct. and the company signed a contract with NTTCOM. I agree with you
that this company is not a good candidate for investing in a common
sense. However, at this particular time, it turns to be more like a

Learning the market the hard way

2007-12-10T22:22:21Z

Learning the hard way - They say the best way to learn is by doing and
it has cost me a lot but I am picking up on little things along the
way like if your invested in a stock tied to the Asian market both the
U.S. and the Asian markets have to do well for that stock to do the
same - only 1/2 of that was the case today which may be the reason ATS

Re: Poll Results of the Special General Meeting held on 20 November 2007

2007-12-10T18:11:25Z

Personally, I think it will be positive news if the purchase happens.
However, the posting is not convincing actions on either side. Make
your own judgement.

Re: Poll Results of the Special General Meeting held on 20 November 2007

2007-12-10T11:03:06Z

If NTTCOM purchases the stocks, what effect can we expect to see that
have on the share price of ATS?

Re: Poll Results of the Special General Meeting held on 20 November 2007

2007-12-10T04:43:11Z

Here is the abstract of the contract.
"The Company announced that Skywork, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the
Company, and SingaSat, the joint venture partner of APT Telecom,
entered into the Option Agreement with the Licensee on 2 October 2007
pursuant to which an option is granted with option expiry date on 31

Re: Poll Results of the Special General Meeting held on 20 November 2007

2007-12-08T03:26:29Z

I don't believe that answers the question. I checked out the link you
referenced and it is still puzzling what exactly is going on. Can you
break it down for some of us. That would be great - thanks

Also found this link which helps explain to anyone who has stocks tied
to China why their stock was up or down for a particular day

Re: Poll Results of the Special General Meeting held on 20 November 2007

2007-12-07T20:57:13Z

It is about allowing NTTCom to buy the Telcom business section of
ATS.
Details can be found in SEC files and previous posting.

Re: Poll Results of the Special General Meeting held on 20 November 2007

2007-12-07T20:37:26Z

I'm new to investing...what does the Option Agreement mean exactly? Is
it good news or bad news for the stock?

Poll Results of the Special General Meeting held on 20 November 2007

2007-12-07T17:36:28Z

Don't know why the company does not release the news when it's been on
their website for a while. Share with you.
"THAT the resolution as contained in the notice dated 23
October 2007 convening the SGM to (i) approve, confirm
and ratify the Option Agreement dated 2 October 2007 in
relation to the granting of a call option and a right of first refusal

Re: Sell or Hold

2007-11-30T21:13:53Z

Hold for sure. The stock just started to rebounce.
If you do some search on the SPECIAL GENERAL MEETING on Nov 19, the
meeting is to approve the proposal that NTTCOM ( Futune 500) has the
priority to purchase its TelCom business before Dec 31, 2008.
If that happens, take guess of the price and that explains why the

Sell or Hold

2007-11-26T14:43:48Z

Guys,

what should i do? Should i still hold this or sell it? i dont see any
results with general meeting on Nov 19th.

Re: Where is this heading to...

2007-11-19T03:33:47Z

tomorrow is the general meeting. keeping my fingers crossed for the
best

Re: Where is this heading to...

2007-11-08T17:59:50Z

Be careful. Look at the market trend first. Good luck.

Re: Where is this heading to...

2007-11-07T07:23:08Z

I know what my next stock purchase is going to be! I'll just monitor
for a day or two, to see where it will lead us, and will make my final
decision

Re: Where is this heading to...

2007-11-07T00:16:59Z

Sure not. Just a new thrilled shareholder :=)

Re: Where is this heading to...

2007-11-06T17:57:26Z

Thanks a lot for this informtion. This is promising. I hope you are
not affiliate or employee of ATS :)

Re: Where is this heading to...

2007-11-02T20:29:23Z

Strong Buy. It will skyrocket!
APT Satellite will hold a special shareholder meeting on Nov 19, 1007.
The purpose is to prove the contact signed on Oct 2, 2007 between
Skywork, SingaSat and NTT Com Asia.
Quote: [link]
The Company announced that Skywork, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the

DAILY News on Chinese Stocks Listed in U.S.

2007-10-27T01:07:46Z

[link]

Re: Where is this heading to...

2007-10-26T15:55:37Z

Sell it. I also sold it taking a loss. We can jump back if there is
any good news from the company.

Where is this heading to...

2007-10-25T18:12:55Z

Hi All guru's
Where are these heading too and I dont see any one out there
discussing this. I am already dipping low on this pls advise... Shall
I hold it or sell and get out of it

Opportunities are knocking

2007-10-13T19:49:50Z

Wednesday to Friday will be the most volatile market for October.RCH
might get a big hit downward. KUN, ATS, EFUT, XFML will have their
big rally for this week. EJ, YGE, WX will be very volatile on their
prices. VM is slowly accumulating shares and will not have a big rally
this week. NCT is a good buy for good dividend .72 quarterly with

Re: Up 65% Today

2007-10-09T13:27:59Z

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