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cai...@gmail.com — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:40:57 UT

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Rises on a horizon?

jbw...@gmail.com (Shattered) — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:16:48 UT

As China becomes more and more of a power, the economic growth will
explode and a handful of companies will become tremendous money
makers. Albeit, depending on the politics of the region in the next
few years and as things change around the world could this possibly be
one of them?

Jason

What about the grey area?

timtu...@yahoo.com (timturks) — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:01:24 UT

Yes the market as a whole for 2008 will continue to perform poorly but
that does not mean every single stock will do so also. Why do most
people only see things in black and white and not discuss the grey
areas?
Believe it or not there were stocks in 2007 that made a 25% return
seem small and there will also be stocks in 2008 that will do the

Re: More valleys than hills on this roller coaster

timtu...@yahoo.com (timturks) — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:15:37 UT

OK - first of all I thought I was the only one posting messages
between 1:00 AM and 5:00 AM - secondly what you are saying about not
holding on until it is too late is probably true. It is just so hard
to let go when for a short while it looked like things were starting
to turn around. How will I ever know if this will be the case when

Re: More valleys than hills on this roller coaster

richard.hall...@gmail.com — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:04:39 UT

A roller coaster goes up and down, the stock market is different.
Some stocks never return to previous levels. Some companies sell off
part of their assets to continue. From then on they are clearly not
worth as much. Such is the case with so many financials - they made
bad investments and the financial data that the high stock prices were

Re: Understanding market behavior

richard.hall...@gmail.com — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:48:46 UT

Look for bargains. Buy Lowish sell Highish. Very hard to pick the
top or bottom.

Didn't mean to keep HOKU for long, sold it already. May buy some ATS
again, if it falls a little further.

Repeat often - get rich.

More valleys than hills on this roller coaster

timtu...@yahoo.com (timturks) — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:21:09 UT

I have been told that investing in the stock market is like riding a
roller coaster except your emotions respond the opposite. In other
words as your going up the incline you have a feeling of exuberance
but when you get to the top and start traveling downward instead of
elation you experience disappointment and anticipation of the next

Re: Understanding market behavior

timtu...@yahoo.com (timturks) — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:37:12 UT

I am curious as to why you would invest in HOKU with numbers like
these?

EPS: -0.30

Key Stats &
Ratios

Sep
'07 (2007) Annual (TTM)

Net Profit Margin -420.08%

Re: Understanding market behavior

richard.hall...@gmail.com — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:30:11 UT

As I said I sold ATS at $2.10 taking a small profit and watched it
continue up. I have learned to not wait until the peak since by the
time you know it peaks it has already come down.

Things worked out very well since I took the proceeds and bought HOKU
which is up about 15% today. I found it while looking at the stocks

Re: Understanding market behavior

timtu...@yahoo.com (timturks) — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:48:09 UT

I never heard of them either until I did a search for possible
investments for 2008 using the criteria I mentioned earlier.

All of these companies have been performing well financially for 2006
and 2007, good eps, good volume etc...
They appear to be undervalued and the market is starting to make the

Re: Understanding market behavior

richard.hall...@gmail.com — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:40:43 UT

I've never heard of them.

Re: Learning from my mistakes

timtu...@yahoo.com (timturks) — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:49:52 UT

I do not get involved with hedge funds nor do I rely on analyst for
info.

What are some other ways to protect yourself from the manipulation
you describe? I know you mentioned avoiding stocks with low volume -
what else do you recommend?
Again -thanks for the feedback

Re: Understanding market behavior

timtu...@yahoo.com (timturks) — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:17:07 UT

I was unaware that it works this way. I have seen level ll breakdown
before at [link] but I did not
understand what it meant. I guess I have had luck on my side as I do
place limits on my orders as a safety.

One of the criteria for my new investments is the stock needs to have

Re: Understanding market behavior

patri...@umilp.com — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:24:59 UT

low volume stocks can be manipulated much easier by insiders of
someone with a big stake. personally I have found it better to stay
away from very low volume stocks, you may even have a hard time
getting out when you want to for your price if there are no takers.

Re: Learning from my mistakes

patri...@umilp.com — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:18:29 UT

i have been trading for about one year...lots of "potential" profits
on my portfolio. You forgot one thing...be aware of stock
manipulation..hedge funds and crooked analysts. For a good example
check out LDK, a chineese solar company. the message boards will fill
you in. Even good news can be followed by a downfall. All the homewrk