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 More options Apr 15 2008, 9:42 pm
From: SThoma...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:42:30 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Apr 15 2008 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: What is your expectation on Citi's earnings this week?
Thanks for correcting me and the well thought out post, have any
recommendations as far as good books about how the banking process
works?
jasonc wrote:
> "they are trying to sell loans to increase their assets"

> Um, loans are assets.  And there is a liability for every asset - that
> is an accounting identity.

> Selling loans that are in higher risk categories doesn't change
> assets, it lowers the amount needed as reserves against the same
> number of assets.  If the whole portfolio has higher average credit
> quality, then fewer reserves are needed against the risk of default,
> according to standard Basel capital requirement formulas.  Those
> requirements have risk adjusted assets in the numerator, and reserves
> in the denominator.

> If a bank sells assets generically, all types evenly, and uses the
> proceeds to repay debts, then it shrinks the balance sheet on both
> sides - both assets and liabilities.  That will also raise the ratio
> of available reserves to overall assets - same denominator, smaller
> numerator.  But not nearly as fast as moving "up market" in credit
> risk terms.

> Right now, Citi has nearly a quarter of its assets in the lowest risk
> treasury and governments sector, which require no reserves for credit
> risk (still can for interest rate risk etc).

> Thing is, moving up market in credit risk terms does come with a cost
> - lower available spreads.  Short term treasuries yield less than bank
> borrowing costs right now (bank borrowing costs are a mix of fed
> funds, LIBOR, CD rates, commercial paper rates, and portion of higher
> cost, long term debt and preferred).  So a bank that puts a ton in
> treasuries is sacrificing income for safety.

> What is going on with all of them is their losses in mortgages have
> reduced their risk capital from around 12% to a bit over 10% of risk
> adjusted assets.  10% is the regulatory line for "well capitalized".
> 8% in the Basel legal limit.  In practice, banks that drop to 9% get
> visits from regulators and orders to reduce risk or raise capital or
> shrink the balance sheet, to avoid dropping below 8.  Citi's is like
> 10.5% before the recent loan sale.  They try to run more like 12% in
> good times.

> Right now the spreads on the riskier bits are so wide, it is hard to
> not make money if you have free reserves.  By that I mean, banks can
> borrow at 3% in multiple ways, and can invest at 5-6% in low risk
> securities (GNMAs, higher grade intermediate corporates, etc).  Do
> that 9 times over plus 1 of owning the asset with your own equity, and
> you are grossing 23-35% on that equity.  Even if you pay half that in
> running costs and salaries etc, it is pretty hard to lose money that
> way.

> A few years ago, they chased spreads by using dodgier assets and
> higher leverage, and that is the source of present losses.  But there
> is no need to in this environment - prices have already moved, giant
> spreads are back, and a bank that just doesn't make obvious mistakes
> can make money hand over fist, standing still.  On the other hand, put
> everything in treasuries and you can fail to earn anything.

> For investors, the key thing to understand is that spreads have
> already widened.  It will take time for that to appear in new earnings
> and therefore equity, and in the meantime they can have losses on
> older stuff etc.  YMMV, and stocks will fluctuate.  But the Fed has
> basically already engineered the conditions needed for renewed bank
> profits (wide spreads).


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