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From: fortresseas...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:13:10 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 8:13 am
Subject: 卖空网易正当时
魔兽的交接过程中风险多多:
1 九城可以选择不交接。如果你去看2004年的协议,虽然规定数据归暴雪,双方没有规定多少时间内必须把用户数据交给暴雪,如果九城拖上一年怎么 我估计网易没跟版署打招呼,为了取悦暴雪,网易保密工作做的好着呢,自己员工都不知道。这么给版署个突然袭击,要版署照顾你,凭什么?以前是自主研发的 丁磊搞定了上头的。 这个可能性不太大啊。丁当不是一个特别会钻营的人,而且这件事情闹这么大,上面也未必摆的平啊 最后估计跟暴雪的协议几乎不赚钱。 所以对网易很不看好。我估计尘埃落定,网易要回到20以下。算我耸言听闻 You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: johnw...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:01:32 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 9:01 am
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
就你这凭空想象不做调查作股票,不赔死才怪。
1,一直以来,用户的所有资料都在暴雪那里控制。而不仅是归暴雪所有。NCTY一直以玩足球的态度搞公司,才忍受这种不平等条约。暴雪找谁都可以。其实 2,你可以去搜索消息。NTES已经拿到了政府的批文。才新闻发布的。实际上3/24日基本就谈好了,而不发布就是等政府的批文。 3,NTES跌和涨不管,但做空最重要的是要理由完全成立,一点HYPE都不行,因为空头一旦理由不成立,很容易被挤死。 On Apr 17, 8:13 am, fortresseas...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: johnw...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:08:48 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 9:08 am
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
笑掉大牙。九城把数据卖给盗号的? 第一,九城没用户的密码,而且九城不控制用户资料。控制用户资料的暴雪也没有。就象你的密码administrator不知道,当然它可以改掉你的密 第二,你以后公司行为可以象你个人行为那样不负责任?NCTY还要混得,还有近3亿现金,公然违法的事情他敢干嘛? 第三,你该知道,代理这条路本身就是很危险的。NCTY走到今天。他自己也知道。国内换代理的多了。我朋友把鳄鱼牌给代理好了。几年后还是被别人顶了。 第四,所以,NTES很聪明,是合资 公司的形式。不是代理关系,而是partner关系。 On Apr 17, 9:01 am, johnw...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: johnw...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:16:19 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 9:16 am
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
提醒搂主一句,SNDA/NTES现在是天天新高无阻力上升通道。做空可能会被挤的很惨的。当然总有一天会TREND破坏,但不一定就是现在。
我看好NTES/SNDA一直到他们出赢利。在此之前,NTES很可能 能到 35 以上。 声明一下,我手头没有NTES的股票。 On Apr 17, 9:08 am, johnw...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: fortresseas...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 11:19 am
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From: fortresseas...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:22:26 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 11:22 am
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
呵呵,你觉得盛大是负责任的公司吗?
盛大3个月开发出传奇世界,把actoz告上法庭的时候你在那儿? 九城抢劲舞团,数据是留在9游净身出户的。网易抢魔兽,也要做好净身出户的准备。 On 4月17日, 下午9时08分, johnw...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: johnw...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 1:14 pm
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From: johnw...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:17:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
真是凭想象来胡说。
NCTY不掌握客户资料,和别的不一样,就这么简单。 而且可以告诉你,这一点炒NCTY的又点头脑的(不象你一样凭脑袋胡想)都知道的。 你胡说骗不了几个人的。 On Apr 17, 11:22 am, fortresseas...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: johnw...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
假的?你不就是空了向赚几毛吗? 假的?你要能找来证据是假的,那我也跟你做空去。 你以为WY那么弱智没有政府许可,就敢新闻发布? 你简直是开国际玩笑。你可以拿你的钱开玩笑,但你的智力骗不了人。 On Apr 17, 11:19 am, fortresseas...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: johnw...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
我为什么不现在空NTES
Only 1 message in discussion The group you are posting to is a Usenet group. Messages posted to Send Discard From: Subject: Validation: For verification purposes please type the characters you Send Discard johnw...@gmail.com View profile Translate to EnglishTranslated From: johnw...@gmail.com 1, WY这个Q的赢利非常好。除了游戏内的活动多,资料片等多外。WY这个Q把点卡价格提高了10%。在几大游戏公司中,WY的点卡现在是最贵的。 2,WY还有后续手段。虽然现在都否认WY要拆分公司上市,但看WS把中国游戏炒成这样,这个行业还有好多比如上市和拆分的消息。 3,WY和暴雪合作是。WY明年的REVENUE增加50%,赢利增加30%。也就是说,现在30是WY的公平价格。 4,所以,我的决定是不空它。等低了买。空也要等到非常OVERVALUE时候,或是ER后。 On Apr 17, 1:20 pm, johnw...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: fortresseas...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
没有政府许可自然是可以发布的,永恒发布也在拿到批文之前,燃烧没有拿到批文前还不都知道了?但是没有批文不能够运营游戏。做市场推广是绝对可以的
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From: fortresseas...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:47:10 -0700 (PDT)
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From: fortresseas...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:18:59 -0700 (PDT)
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From: Coolc-腾讯 <ims...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Apr 17 2009 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
数据确实不涉及返还的问题,DB都在美国人手里,这些DB的权限九城的运维都没有的,这个是比较真实的情况。不过网易要想接手这个大作绝非易事,毕竟运
营团队是个积累。从股价上看,还要有业绩表现,才能新的一轮拉动。3月完成签约后的股价飙升其实也反应出了这个事情。从盈利看,一个6.x亿 一个 5.x亿,如果能运营好,的确对股价的拉升是明显的。wow的玩家是很忠诚的,只是现在都去了永恒之塔~~~ On Apr 18, 7:18 am, fortresseas...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: fortresseas...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 19 2009 6:02 am
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
我个人认为魔兽不会被批了,游戏会被封掉一年,就象当初Google被封掉一样。
有2股势力要封魔兽 在今天中国民族情绪大张的时候,暴雪的举动在政治上是极其幼稚的,如果成功其隐含的意义是非常令国人恐怖的。 其实暴雪的作为,跟鸦片战争时代的英国毫无两样 这并没有什么奇怪,因为不了解,这样做是很正常的,而且恐怕自己都觉得很自豪,因为坚持了principle, 心里很平和。呵呵。 顺便说说,本人是魔兽60级玩家,魔兽的运营,还是可以的。只所以抱怨这么多,是因为嫉妒,我几乎肯定认为,网易开始肯定不可能比九城运营得更好。而且 On Apr 18, 7:38 am, Coolc-腾讯 <ims...@gmail.com> wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: jason....@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 19 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
我也发现你这个人喜欢靠幻想来骗人. 你骗你自己我们不说什么了. 你公开来骗, 实在是别有用心.
上边有人让你去查查, 多处都已经提到了网易运营WOW根本就不是问题. 你basher搞点实际的好不好, 别老是你觉得, 你觉得, 要让我觉 网易内部公开信 回击九城邮件 【17173报道,未经授权请勿转载】 4月16日下午消息 网易今日下午正式宣布代理暴雪《魔兽世界》,随后网易向全体员工发表了一封内部公开信,信中除表态喜悦之情外,还就九城邮件一 以下是网易内部公开信原文: 致所有网易的同事们: 公司已正式宣布代理美国暴雪娱乐旗下的网游产品-魔兽世界(World Of Warcraft)。 最近外界对这个消息有很多猜测和传播,而大家可能在几小时前才确切知道这个消息,在此公司决策层对大家表示诚挚的歉意。我们深知"契约精神"的可贵 去年因为代理星际II及魔兽系列战网在中国的运营权,我们和暴雪的接触越来越深入,我们深刻的感受到了彼此团队以用户需求为导向的核心理念以及将这 在这样的背景下,当我们被确定成为《魔兽世界》大陆区运营合作伙伴后,我们知道喜悦的背后更多的是对用户的责任和用户对我们的期望,但我们有信心、 昨天对于网上流传的关于九城新闻中的一些内容让公司感到非常震惊和不解,在此进行必要的澄清: 关于指责低价购买竞争对手的服务器--自确定合作后,公司从玩家顺畅的游戏体验角度出发,立刻开展购买配置最新的服务器,并且确保这些最新配置的服 关于竞争对手指责恶意挖角--我们对自己员工都严格保密,又怎么可能以此为条件对竞争对手挖角? 关于运营《魔兽世界》在法律法规方面的正当性--这更是无稽之谈,在此不做展开。 得到《魔兽世界》的大陆运营权,不只是荣幸,更是巨大的挑战。优秀的产品之所以能带给用户完美的体验,其关键在于 "用户至上"。而在后续的运营工 我们一直务实进取,我们一直锐意创新,我们一直迎难而上,我们一直精诚团结,面对即将到来的挑战,我们有信心用激情和努力换来更大的成功。最后再次 我们一路风雨同行,见证现在,收获将来! 在线游戏事业部 2009年4月16日 On Apr 19, 6:02 pm, fortresseas...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: rick.din...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Apr 21 2009 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
1. 暴雪应该只有部分数据备份,而非全部;如果Blzd拥有所有gamer data,WY相关人士在公开场合表态时应该会有所透露,而这一点目前并
没看到; 2.除了有关WoW角色的数据,运营交接谈判应该还会涉及玩家还未消费掉的点卡余额,这些钱是在九城通行证里,balance sheet上的 3. 版署是否公开干涉要看是否有正当理由。这件事和当年EA和天悦的纠纷毕竟还不同。如果无合同方面的违约,版署公开出面可能性小,但暗地里和文化部 4. 网易1Q盈利未必会好。降低给渠道商的折扣两种可能:1)其游戏卡供不应求,销量大,所以渠道商跑量可以赚回来;2)营收增长缓慢,想借此提高自 5.至于网易相关人事公开场合所说今早或者“6月份开服”,我的猜测是先开TBC,甚至可能是非商业运营,像内测一样,尽量留住玩家。 You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: fortresseas...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:14:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 22 2009 7:14 am
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
应该是全部吧,否则暴雪网易不会这么牛。网易不说死是因为怕期望太高,毕竟数据转移也有可能出错,坏几个信道也是可能的。
拖是肯定的,问题是拖多久。确实只要九城不告,版署也没有理由不批。但是肯定是通过这次机会打击下进口游戏的 试运营是否需要版号,估计还是看版署的态度。惹恼了版署,继续拖延审批也是可能的。 个人觉得年底吧。 网易估计没什么郁闷的,正好通过这个机会把暴雪跟自己绑定,所以我说网易把暴雪涮了。他们各怀鬼胎,丁磊没好处的事也是不干的,冒天下之大不违签下魔 On Apr 22, 11:48 am, rick.din...@gmail.com wrote: You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:48:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
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