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魔兽的交接过程中风险多多:

1 九城可以选择不交接。如果你去看2004年的协议,虽然规定数据归暴雪,双方没有规定多少时间内必须把用户数据交给暴雪,如果九城拖上一年怎么
办?
2 九城可以把数据卖给盗号的。只要网易开服1/3的玩家没法玩,剩下的2/3也会走掉一半,工会一半人走了,还怎么下副本?这样做暴雪远在海外,根本
无法取证,告也很难告
3 版署早就恨的魔兽牙痒痒,资料片从来就没准时批过,这个机会它会放过?即使版署有意帮忙,这么帮助国外公司打压中国公司,以后它说话还有谁听?再说
了,凭什么版署帮你呀?
4 国内对网络游戏的毒品效应反对声浪一直没停过,好不容易有个送上门来的老外,还有个中国的苦主,不趁机标榜下自己大公无私,关心下一代更待何时?

我估计网易没跟版署打招呼,为了取悦暴雪,网易保密工作做的好着呢,自己员工都不知道。这么给版署个突然袭击,要版署照顾你,凭什么?以前是自主研发的
一面旗帜,现在钢钢痛打了版署一个耳光,要版署再帮你,只有一种可能:

丁磊搞定了上头的。

这个可能性不太大啊。丁当不是一个特别会钻营的人,而且这件事情闹这么大,上面也未必摆的平啊

最后估计跟暴雪的协议几乎不赚钱。

所以对网易很不看好。我估计尘埃落定,网易要回到20以下。算我耸言听闻


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就你这凭空想象不做调查作股票,不赔死才怪。

1,一直以来,用户的所有资料都在暴雪那里控制。而不仅是归暴雪所有。NCTY一直以玩足球的态度搞公司,才忍受这种不平等条约。暴雪找谁都可以。其实
暴雪最想干的是自己干,但国家肯定不让。

2,你可以去搜索消息。NTES已经拿到了政府的批文。才新闻发布的。实际上3/24日基本就谈好了,而不发布就是等政府的批文。

3,NTES跌和涨不管,但做空最重要的是要理由完全成立,一点HYPE都不行,因为空头一旦理由不成立,很容易被挤死。

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笑掉大牙。九城把数据卖给盗号的?

第一,九城没用户的密码,而且九城不控制用户资料。控制用户资料的暴雪也没有。就象你的密码administrator不知道,当然它可以改掉你的密
码。那你一定知道。

第二,你以后公司行为可以象你个人行为那样不负责任?NCTY还要混得,还有近3亿现金,公然违法的事情他敢干嘛?

第三,你该知道,代理这条路本身就是很危险的。NCTY走到今天。他自己也知道。国内换代理的多了。我朋友把鳄鱼牌给代理好了。几年后还是被别人顶了。
这很正常。

第四,所以,NTES很聪明,是合资 公司的形式。不是代理关系,而是partner关系。

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提醒搂主一句,SNDA/NTES现在是天天新高无阻力上升通道。做空可能会被挤的很惨的。当然总有一天会TREND破坏,但不一定就是现在。

我看好NTES/SNDA一直到他们出赢利。在此之前,NTES很可能 能到 35 以上。

声明一下,我手头没有NTES的股票。

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恩,但是如果数据在暴雪手里,为什么服务器在九城那里呢?

网易拿到批文的消息是假的。

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呵呵,你觉得盛大是负责任的公司吗?

盛大3个月开发出传奇世界,把actoz告上法庭的时候你在那儿?

九城抢劲舞团,数据是留在9游净身出户的。网易抢魔兽,也要做好净身出户的准备。

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不懂就别乱说了,账户服务器和任务服务器从来都是分开的。

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 More options Apr 17 2009, 1:17 pm
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真是凭想象来胡说。

NCTY不掌握客户资料,和别的不一样,就这么简单。

而且可以告诉你,这一点炒NCTY的又点头脑的(不象你一样凭脑袋胡想)都知道的。

你胡说骗不了几个人的。

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假的?你不就是空了向赚几毛吗?

假的?你要能找来证据是假的,那我也跟你做空去。

你以为WY那么弱智没有政府许可,就敢新闻发布?

你简直是开国际玩笑。你可以拿你的钱开玩笑,但你的智力骗不了人。

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因为经过调查研究:

1, WY这个Q的赢利非常好。除了游戏内的活动多,资料片等多外。WY这个Q把点卡价格提高了10%。在几大游戏公司中,WY的点卡现在是最贵的。

以想象,WY REVENUE至少BEAT10%,赢利Q/Q增加20-30%。也就是远超过预期。

2,WY还有后续手段。虽然现在都否认WY要拆分公司上市,但看WS把中国游戏炒成这样,这个行业还有好多比如上市和拆分的消息。

3,WY和暴雪合作是。WY明年的REVENUE增加50%,赢利增加30%。也就是说,现在30是WY的公平价格。

4,所以,我的决定是不空它。等低了买。空也要等到非常OVERVALUE时候,或是ER后。

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没有政府许可自然是可以发布的,永恒发布也在拿到批文之前,燃烧没有拿到批文前还不都知道了?但是没有批文不能够运营游戏。做市场推广是绝对可以的

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点卡提高10%是为了付魔兽的签约费吧,呵呵,估计不会少啊

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你去查查就知道了,别估计好不好?????????

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兄弟,合同细节还没发布啊。你搞懂你在炒什么没有?

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数据确实不涉及返还的问题,DB都在美国人手里,这些DB的权限九城的运维都没有的,这个是比较真实的情况。不过网易要想接手这个大作绝非易事,毕竟运
营团队是个积累。从股价上看,还要有业绩表现,才能新的一轮拉动。3月完成签约后的股价飙升其实也反应出了这个事情。从盈利看,一个6.x亿 一个
5.x亿,如果能运营好,的确对股价的拉升是明显的。wow的玩家是很忠诚的,只是现在都去了永恒之塔~~~

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我个人认为魔兽不会被批了,游戏会被封掉一年,就象当初Google被封掉一样。

有2股势力要封魔兽
1 所有中国除了网易以外的网游公司。 这是一堂大餐
2 认为网游毒害青少年的社会势力

在今天中国民族情绪大张的时候,暴雪的举动在政治上是极其幼稚的,如果成功其隐含的意义是非常令国人恐怖的。

其实暴雪的作为,跟鸦片战争时代的英国毫无两样
1 最好是直接贸易,不行的话重要的是找一个买办,搞的定的是好买办,搞不定的是坏买办
2 不愿意直接跟中国政府打交道,隐含的意义是认为官员腐败,抽成,只选择通过买办来搞政府关系,同时又看不起买办
3 现在还没有发生,就是一旦出现如同虎门硝烟那样的冲突,就用诉求政府,用炮舰打开大门

这并没有什么奇怪,因为不了解,这样做是很正常的,而且恐怕自己都觉得很自豪,因为坚持了principle, 心里很平和。呵呵。

顺便说说,本人是魔兽60级玩家,魔兽的运营,还是可以的。只所以抱怨这么多,是因为嫉妒,我几乎肯定认为,网易开始肯定不可能比九城运营得更好。而且
网易的用户基础在2-3线城市,在上海北京我从来没有看到玩大话梦幻的,这些玩家的眼界和要求不是网易能够满足的。 我个人觉得网易是涮了暴雪,许诺了
它做不到的东西。

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我也发现你这个人喜欢靠幻想来骗人. 你骗你自己我们不说什么了. 你公开来骗, 实在是别有用心.

上边有人让你去查查, 多处都已经提到了网易运营WOW根本就不是问题. 你basher搞点实际的好不好, 别老是你觉得, 你觉得, 要让我觉
得, 你是在骗人.

网易内部公开信 回击九城邮件

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  4月16日下午消息 网易今日下午正式宣布代理暴雪《魔兽世界》,随后网易向全体员工发表了一封内部公开信,信中除表态喜悦之情外,还就九城邮件一
事发表声明。网易称,自确定代理后,网易立刻开展购买配置最新的服务器,并称"关于运营《魔兽世界》在法律法规方面的正当性"是无稽之谈。

  以下是网易内部公开信原文:

致所有网易的同事们:

  公司已正式宣布代理美国暴雪娱乐旗下的网游产品-魔兽世界(World Of Warcraft)。

  最近外界对这个消息有很多猜测和传播,而大家可能在几小时前才确切知道这个消息,在此公司决策层对大家表示诚挚的歉意。我们深知"契约精神"的可贵
与重要,因此在约定的消息发布时间前,公司决策层一直履行着保密义务。而过去偶尔也有公司的中高层管理人员询问关于《魔兽世界》合作的问题,我们也都没
有给予任何回复。

  去年因为代理星际II及魔兽系列战网在中国的运营权,我们和暴雪的接触越来越深入,我们深刻的感受到了彼此团队以用户需求为导向的核心理念以及将这
一理念深入应用到各个细节的执行能力,我们也建立了信任关系,共同在游戏行业追求梦想。《魔兽世界》在中国大陆已经运营几年,在此期间用户体验一直是多
方关注的焦点,运营质量与稳定性一直是玩家讨论的主要话题之一。

  在这样的背景下,当我们被确定成为《魔兽世界》大陆区运营合作伙伴后,我们知道喜悦的背后更多的是对用户的责任和用户对我们的期望,但我们有信心、
有能力把《魔兽世界》的各项运营工作做的更好。

  昨天对于网上流传的关于九城新闻中的一些内容让公司感到非常震惊和不解,在此进行必要的澄清:

  关于指责低价购买竞争对手的服务器--自确定合作后,公司从玩家顺畅的游戏体验角度出发,立刻开展购买配置最新的服务器,并且确保这些最新配置的服
务器完全满足WOW的未来版本的运营需求。

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From: rick.din...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Apr 21 2009 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
1. 暴雪应该只有部分数据备份,而非全部;如果Blzd拥有所有gamer data,WY相关人士在公开场合表态时应该会有所透露,而这一点目前并
没看到;

2.除了有关WoW角色的数据,运营交接谈判应该还会涉及玩家还未消费掉的点卡余额,这些钱是在九城通行证里,balance sheet上的
deferred revenue。4Q08结束时有$30 mln, 算90%是WoW的,那有$27 mln. 当然事情公开之后玩家充值减少,但
到交接时肯定还会有一些(估计不多,因为WoW点卡销售肯定也受很大影响, advance from customers也减少),但对于玩家来说这
也是很重要一点;

3. 版署是否公开干涉要看是否有正当理由。这件事和当年EA和天悦的纠纷毕竟还不同。如果无合同方面的违约,版署公开出面可能性小,但暗地里和文化部
一起是否会拖拖WoW版号审批就看双方GR的本事了;

4. 网易1Q盈利未必会好。降低给渠道商的折扣两种可能:1)其游戏卡供不应求,销量大,所以渠道商跑量可以赚回来;2)营收增长缓慢,想借此提高自
己网上销售份额,进一步减少对渠道商依赖,提高毛利率,to offset unsatisfactory top line growth。目前我看
第一种可能性不大。应该是第二种(其降低渠道折扣的做法直接导致以前在网上买折扣卡的玩家费用上升,而买折扣卡的这些人应该是对价格敏感的,尤其目前市
面有这么多游戏,价格上升也许会导致部分 not very loyal gamers减少消费甚至离开游戏)

5.至于网易相关人事公开场合所说今早或者“6月份开服”,我的猜测是先开TBC,甚至可能是非商业运营,像内测一样,尽量留住玩家。


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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:14:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 22 2009 7:14 am
Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
应该是全部吧,否则暴雪网易不会这么牛。网易不说死是因为怕期望太高,毕竟数据转移也有可能出错,坏几个信道也是可能的。

拖是肯定的,问题是拖多久。确实只要九城不告,版署也没有理由不批。但是肯定是通过这次机会打击下进口游戏的

试运营是否需要版号,估计还是看版署的态度。惹恼了版署,继续拖延审批也是可能的。

个人觉得年底吧。

网易估计没什么郁闷的,正好通过这个机会把暴雪跟自己绑定,所以我说网易把暴雪涮了。他们各怀鬼胎,丁磊没好处的事也是不干的,冒天下之大不违签下魔
兽,自然有他的考虑,至少能够做倒不吃亏,这就立于不败了。

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From: Coolc-腾讯 <ims...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:48:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时
可能大家没有仔细看我的帖子,实际情况是“数据是暴雪掌握的”,如果存在质疑不如亲身调查一下。

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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: 卖空网易正当时

看见楼上的傻空头,我高兴死了。NTES还远没到头。

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