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> Thoughts?

> I said "They should track supply/
> demand and their worth should steadily increase as currencies are
> deflated."

> I meant inflated, that is increasing of money supply greater than
> productivity gains.

> On Apr 1, 4:33 pm, rlmzpaul...@gmail.com wrote:

> > This is why commodities can't be used for barter currency. Big forces
> > won't let them, and keep them unstable on purpose.

> > There are many competing factors woven into gold through the economy,
> > foreign exchange, interest rates, and the risk induced by fiat
> > currencies. It's the hidden powerful forces unseen injecting
> > uncertainty (it's certain for them) into any commodity that could
> > serve as the basis for a barter economy.

> > Major trends in Gold is controlled by big institutions namely
> > governments all with fiat currencies. They have a vested interest to
> > keep people out of gold. The day hyper  inflation kicks in and people
> > start bartering gold for goods, these big spending governments
> > constantly are diluting their currencies with the bailouts. Each
> > government has a banking shell so to speak. in the US, it's JPM. They
> > swing huge derivatives (options/futures) to influence the price of
> > gold and to swing it making it volatile and hard to hold without big
> > risks.  Gold volatility is double our currency either the euro or the
> > USD:

> > GLD 28.2%
> > UUP (dollar) 14%
> > FXE (Euro) 16.3%
> > USO (sweet crude)( 67.5%)
> > FXA (australian dollar) 23.16%

> > Now look at gold/silver companies volatility:
> > AUY 80%
> > EGO  77%
> > GG  67%
> > SSRI 85%
> > HL  113%
> > GFI 70%

> > These volatiles will shake you out. If you look in your bag of
> > comodities from day to day you get very different answers.These
> > comodities should not be acting like this. They should track supply/
> > demand and their worth should steadily increase as currencies are
> > deflated. That is not what they do however.  They are being
> > manipulated by powerful forces unseen and for good reasons known by
> > the wise men of the powerful and hidden.

> >  How could gold be worth 1000 dollars then 700 in less than a year and
> > meanwhile the money supply is increasing at an accelerating rate (and
> > not matched by productivity gains)? If a currency fails, gold will be
> > even higher, but When?. Regardless, the gov's will inflate  the
> > currency like a frog gets cooked in slowly warmed water without
> > jumping out. It will keep you distracted. They kill the currency
> > slowly and surely and all fiat currencies will fail. That is a
> > certainty. the question is when?

> > The currency collapses when people wake up and say hey. But are we
> > critical thinkers or mindless sheep in this world? Yes, world. That is
> > when a new perception creates a new reality. In the meantime, you play
> > it "safe" and buy gold and watch your net worth go up and down like a
> > yo-yo while another is getting poorer at a consistent rate earning 3%
> > on his long bond why money is inflated 7%.The difference is that his
> > net worth gets lower and lower consistently instead of jumping around
> > like a man stepping on hot coals and pretty soon you jump out with a
> > nasty burn. Was that fun? You don't even know how much money is being
> > inflated. Every time a loan is granted, money inflates and the gov
> > doesn't tell you how much it just prints.

> > They say perception is reality and it is. Gold is more than twice as
> > hard to hold ie risky (and that is if you constantly hedge it to
> > remove drift) than the dollar or euro and fiat currencies need that to
> > be so. Put 300K in gold and see how well you sleep at night. Behind
> > the scenes powerful interests move gold prices specifically to induce
> > volatility. People driven to buy gold are risk averse and exactly the
> > people that get shaken out. Also, there is not enough gold to be a
> > currency and keeping a gold standard would actually hurt economic
> > growth as lending increases the money supply and is a key reason it
> > was dropped.

> > Gold companies are even worse as they are uncertainty amplifiers
> > trying to respond to demand and the high costs of extraction. When the
> > markets are being whipped by extremely powerful forces (what bank does
> > the vactican put all those donations compounded for 1500 years?), what
> > does that do to the supply/demand equations for a capital intensive
> > industry. Also gold demand is driven by mostly inflation, fear of fiat
> > currency collapse, and jewelery. Jewelery purchases drop in hard times
> > and investor demand picks up only if there are hyper inflation or
> > deflation fears. Can you see what a mess this is? You have a gold
> > minor having to deal with high costs of extraction with large capital
> > costs and an unstable and manipulated demand when jewelery sales tank.
> > How do you project capitall investment?

> > The point is governments with fiat currencies that print money with
> > easy credit are afraid of the barter economy.  It's hard to tax and
> > reduces the demand for money that becomes more worthless each day.
> > Each dollar of reserve creates 8 times as many dollars in circulation.
> > That is how money is printed and when no-one wants loans then gov's
> > print money directly and withhold money supply data (M3? where did it
> > go?).

> > So, what's the answer? Keep people stupid and believing a dollar is
> > worth a dollar. Make the cost of holding the alternatives extremely
> > high (ie volatility). Keep money seemingly stable and whip gold and
> > commodity prices around wildly using derivatives. They will teach you
> > to hold dollars instead of gold when you get shaken out selling for a
> > loss since you cannot take the strain of watching your gold move from
> > 300 to 1000 to 700 and back..
> > . .
> > If gold smoothly and slowly, everyone would own it. There would be an
> > electronic version of a gold based paypal. This is what the unseen
> > powerful forces fear. They would loose control. It will happen but
> > when. In the meantime, the unseen powerful forces behind moves will
> > kill you with their gyrations and trading skill. You could easily get
> > shaken out of comodities and loose everything by denominating in gold.

> > One answer is to trade volatility but to do that you need to know the
> > direction. It oscillates between calm and wildly shaking. And just
> > when you are really scared or really contented, it changes. the
> > average is still positive. Volatility is always >0. The powerful
> > forces know the direction since they purposely control volatility.
> > They don't care which way they move a market. They just have to move
> > it a lot to shake apples (ie your positions) out of the tree.
> > Volatility induces fear and investor fear creates consistent profits
> > for the wise and powerful. These powerful will even create wars to
> > induce fear and distract the populous.

> > In a nutshell, the wise and powerful cook the average business owner
> > and wage earner by slowly inflating the fiat currency. He doesn't
> > hedge and gets pooer slowly and some day the currency fails. The
> > powerful and wise fry the critical thinkers who know fiat currencies
> > will fail by creating a frying pan of volatility using endless amounts
> > of liquidity and amplified derivatives. They then bleed these
> > "thinkers" dry by using the fear induced by their volatility. They
> > lose all there money at once. There is no way to win since a force
> > that can move markets can dip in at any time and take what it wants.
> > The few that hold commodities and were fearless not shaken out when
> > the currency fails will be doing great. However, the country will be a
> > disaster when that happens and the music will stop. It's no fun being
> > right but alone. The wise know it.

> > Just watch, GFI will be up to a 13 week high, the suckers will come
> > in, then it will tank or but up hugely for no reason. Why? the
> > powerful know why and it's called inducing volatility in a medium of
> > potential barter. They kill the potential of barter by making the
> > worth change radically day to day. These are forces with billions of
> > dollars swinging derivatives (puts/calls/futures/swaps) with easy
> > credit.

> > On Mar 16, 6:36 am, hatembena...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > I am new to this stock and I have a question about its price movement.
> > > It's a gold stock, so I thought the stock price should move up or down
> > > depends on gold spot price on that trading day. However, I normally
> > > found out that this stock didn't move in the same direction most of
> > > the time. Could someone explain to me why? Thank you.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

> There are many competing factors woven into gold through the economy,
> foreign exchange, interest rates, and the risk induced by fiat
> currencies. It's the hidden powerful forces unseen injecting
> uncertainty (it's certain for them) into any commodity that could
> serve as the basis for a barter economy.

> Major trends in Gold is controlled by big institutions namely
> governments all with fiat currencies. They have a vested interest to
> keep people out of gold. The day hyper  inflation kicks in and people
> start bartering gold for goods, these big spending governments
> constantly are diluting their currencies with the bailouts. Each
> government has a banking shell so to speak. in the US, it's JPM. They
> swing huge derivatives (options/futures) to influence the price of
> gold and to swing it making it volatile and hard to hold without big
> risks.  Gold volatility is double our currency either the euro or the
> USD:

> GLD 28.2%
> UUP (dollar) 14%
> FXE (Euro) 16.3%
> USO (sweet crude)( 67.5%)
> FXA (australian dollar) 23.16%

> Now look at gold/silver companies volatility:
> AUY 80%
> EGO  77%
> GG  67%
> SSRI 85%
> HL  113%
> GFI 70%

> These volatiles will shake you out. If you look in your bag of
> comodities from day to day you get very different answers.These
> comodities should not be acting like this. They should track supply/
> demand and their worth should steadily increase as currencies are
> deflated. That is not what they do however.  They are being
> manipulated by powerful forces unseen and for good reasons known by
> the wise men of the powerful and hidden.

>  How could gold be worth 1000 dollars then 700 in less than a year and
> meanwhile the money supply is increasing at an accelerating rate (and
> not matched by productivity gains)? If a currency fails, gold will be
> even higher, but When?. Regardless, the gov's will inflate  the
> currency like a frog gets cooked in slowly warmed water without
> jumping out. It will keep you distracted. They kill the currency
> slowly and surely and all fiat currencies will fail. That is a
> certainty. the question is when?

> The currency collapses when people wake up and say hey. But are we
> critical thinkers or mindless sheep in this world? Yes, world. That is
> when a new perception creates a new reality. In the meantime, you play
> it "safe" and buy gold and watch your net worth go up and down like a
> yo-yo while another is getting poorer at a consistent rate earning 3%
> on his long bond why money is inflated 7%.The difference is that his
> net worth gets lower and lower consistently instead of jumping around
> like a man stepping on hot coals and pretty soon you jump out with a
> nasty burn. Was that fun? You don't even know how much money is being
> inflated. Every time a loan is granted, money inflates and the gov
> doesn't tell you how much it just prints.

> They say perception is reality and it is. Gold is more than twice as
> hard to hold ie risky (and that is if you constantly hedge it to
> remove drift) than the dollar or euro and fiat currencies need that to
> be so. Put 300K in gold and see how well you sleep at night. Behind
> the scenes powerful interests move gold prices specifically to induce
> volatility. People driven to buy gold are risk averse and exactly the
> people that get shaken out. Also, there is not enough gold to be a
> currency and keeping a gold standard would actually hurt economic
> growth as lending increases the money supply and is a key reason it
> was dropped.

> Gold companies are even worse as they are uncertainty amplifiers
> trying to respond to demand and the high costs of extraction. When the
> markets are being whipped by extremely powerful forces (what bank does
> the vactican put all those donations compounded for 1500 years?), what
> does that do to the supply/demand equations for a capital intensive
> industry. Also gold demand is driven by mostly inflation, fear of fiat
> currency collapse, and jewelery. Jewelery purchases drop in hard times
> and investor demand picks up only if there are hyper inflation or
> deflation fears. Can you see what a mess this is? You have a gold
> minor having to deal with high costs of extraction with large capital
> costs and an unstable and manipulated demand when jewelery sales tank.
> How do you project capitall investment?

> The point is governments with fiat currencies that print money with
> easy credit are afraid of the barter economy.  It's hard to tax and
> reduces the demand for money that becomes more worthless each day.
> Each dollar of reserve creates 8 times as many dollars in circulation.
> That is how money is printed and when no-one wants loans then gov's
> print money directly and withhold money supply data (M3? where did it
> go?).

> So, what's the answer? Keep people stupid and believing a dollar is
> worth a dollar. Make the cost of holding the alternatives extremely
> high (ie volatility). Keep money seemingly stable and whip gold and
> commodity prices around wildly using derivatives. They will teach you
> to hold dollars instead of gold when you get shaken out selling for a
> loss since you cannot take the strain of watching your gold move from
> 300 to 1000 to 700 and back..
> . .
> If gold smoothly and slowly, everyone would own it. There would be an
> electronic version of a gold based paypal. This is what the unseen
> powerful forces fear. They would loose control. It will happen but
> when. In the meantime, the unseen powerful forces behind moves will
> kill you with their gyrations and trading skill. You could easily get
> shaken out of comodities and loose everything by denominating in gold.

> One answer is to trade volatility but to do that you need to know the
> direction. It oscillates between calm and wildly shaking. And just
> when you are really scared or really contented, it changes. the
> average is still positive. Volatility is always >0. The powerful
> forces know the direction since they purposely control volatility.
> They don't care which way they move a market. They just have to move
> it a lot to shake apples (ie your positions) out of the tree.
> Volatility induces fear and investor fear creates consistent profits
> for the wise and powerful. These powerful will even create wars to
> induce fear and distract the populous.

> In a nutshell, the wise and powerful cook the average business owner
> and wage earner by slowly inflating the fiat currency. He doesn't
> hedge and gets pooer slowly and some day the currency fails. The
> powerful and wise fry the critical thinkers who know fiat currencies
> will fail by creating a frying pan of volatility using endless amounts
> of liquidity and amplified derivatives. They then bleed these
> "thinkers" dry by using the fear induced by their volatility. They
> lose all there money at once. There is no way to win since a force
> that can move markets can dip in at any time and take what it wants.
> The few that hold commodities and were fearless not shaken out when
> the currency fails will be doing great. However, the country will be a
> disaster when that happens and the music will stop. It's no fun being
> right but alone. The wise know it.

> Just watch, GFI will be up to a 13 week high, the suckers will come
> in, then it will tank or but up hugely for no reason. Why? the
> powerful know why and it's called inducing volatility in a medium of
> potential barter. They kill the potential of barter by making the
> worth change radically day to day. These are forces with billions of
> dollars swinging derivatives (puts/calls/futures/swaps) with easy
> credit.

> On Mar 16, 6:36 am, hatembena...@gmail.com wrote:

> > I am new to this stock and I have a question about its price movement.
> > It's a gold stock, so I thought the stock price should move up or down
> > depends on gold spot price on that trading day. However, I normally
> > found out that this stock didn't move in the same direction most of
> > the time. Could someone explain to me why? Thank you.

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