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From: ara...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:43:45 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
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From: numbers man <farris.lou...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
No but you must check the depth of the market in these contracts.
Sometimes the market is very small. Like one contract available at the quoted price but other times the depth is vast like 400 contracts. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: MrHomes...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
> Lets say GOOG becomes 600 before MAY17, you can still buy for 530 (you
To get $4400 profit , Should person need to buy first 100 stocks by
> have the right, remember?) and sell for 600. So profit of $70 per > share, but wait, you have also paid $26 to buy that right... so profit > is 70 minus 26 i.e. $44 per share, i.e. $4400 per contract. paying $530 * 100 = $53,000 (One might NOT have these much money into account) to sell them in $600 a stock or person can just sell without even actually buying them. newbie investor(Investing since November 06)
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From: MrHomes...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
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From: prestoni...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
You said you're relatively new at investing, <6mos.
I would strongly suggest you stay out of options, at least until you
I started out with 1 or 2 trades a month, locking in gains and
The Roth is a great vehicle for trading options, especially PUT/CALLS
With all that tax free money, you can either.
for example C.) the max contribution for Roth IRAs was 4000 up until
You can withdraw (at maximum) the original amount of your investment
It would be possible to withdraw $9,000 from your Roth without tax
BTW, there are some options contracts I've purchased in the last month
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From: DerekA...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:07:55 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
that's the way to do it - goog ap 500calls from 7.5k into 455k untaxed
in roth. at 23 i'll be set for retirement. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 3:34 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
...thanks everyone. Wel lthe thing is I wanted to enjoy some of the $$
$ now, if I do make a profit, waiting until 59 + 1/2 is really a long time. I wouldn't mind opening a Roth IRA once Im like in my late 30s-40s , but for now I actually would like to enjoy the money while I'm still young. Any thoughts on that? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: prestoni...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:03:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
neveral...@yahoo.com wrote:
Uncle Sam will profit the best from your gains... Especially if you
> ...thanks everyone. Wel lthe thing is I wanted to enjoy some of the $$ > $ now, if I do make a profit, waiting until 59 + 1/2 is really a > long time. I wouldn't mind opening a Roth IRA once Im like in my late > 30s-40s , but for now I actually would like to enjoy the money while > I'm still young. Any thoughts on that? make a killing... I would spread my money around in both Taxable (std brokerage) and
I max out my Roth (have for the last 3 yrs) and have a XX,XXX amount
if you get really confident in your strategies, and you feel bold,
I don't know what you do for a living (as it's certainly not day-
> I wouldn't mind opening a Roth IRA once Im like in my late 30s-40s ,
BIG MISTAKE. Most people don't save enough for retirement, and once
they start, they do it way too late. it's never too early to start saving, I'm 23, and contribute 9% at work into my 401k and max out my contributions to my roth every year without fail. By waiting until you're 30-40 to start saving for retirement, you're short changing yourself 100s of thousands of dollars in potential gains. Here's a great site, which can just use a 401k as an example of
say you're 23, make decent money (40k year) and contribute 4k a year,
Say you delay your investment, and don't start saving until you're 30.
say you're really late and don't start til 35! your nest egg will only
So, time is on your side, don't make the mistake of waiting til you're
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From: prestoni...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
Here's the Roth IRA calculator I was talking about,
http://www.bloomberg.com/invest/calculators/roth_ira.html 4k a year, retiring at 65
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:49:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
Prestoni, what online brokerage you use for your Roth IRA account and
option trading ? I have TD AMeritrade for my Std. Brokerage that I use for stocks. Also, if you put all your money into your Roth...how do you benefit
Oh, and is it possible to lets say option trade in a std. account,
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
Would it make sense to try and save up / make as much money as I can
in my std. brokerage account , then transfering some over to a Roth IRA account . and use it there for accumulation / option trading ??? And just use the regular std. brokerage for stocks ? I You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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| Subject changed: General Investment Advice |
From: prestoni...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:42:30 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 7:42 pm
Subject: General Investment Advice
While, I'm not a CFP (Certified Financial Planner), I have read plenty
of things about investing and saving, stocks/options/mutual funds etc. >Prestoni, what online brokerage you use for your Roth IRA account and
I have TDAmeritrade for my main brokerage and my small Roth (only has
>option trading ? I have TD AMeritrade for my Std. Brokerage that I use >for stocks. 1 MuFund, CGMFX) For my main Roth IRA, I have Zecco. It comes with 10 free trades per calendar month, each additional 4.95 and the options contracts are cheap. $4.50 plus $.50 per contract with no minimums. >Also, if you put all your money into your Roth...how do you benefit
While I'm not going to tell you how exactly much is in my brokerage,
>from your gains now ? I mean ,it would be nice to take out a few X,XXX >$ to enjoy it once in a while, if you DO make a killing. I'll tell you my brokerage account has about 4x the amount of my Roth IRAs, and my IRAs get maxed out early. If you do make a killing in a tax sheltered account, you can only take
>Oh, and is it possible to lets say option trade in a std. account,
Stocks/Options cannot be directly transferred between account types
>then if you get lucky, xfer money into the ROth account so it can >avoid the tax and just sit there / accumulate ? (i.e. standard brokerage to IRA) per IRS rules, stocks/options can only be directly transferred between similar account types. for example you have 2 different IRAs, one taxable, and one Roth, and wish to move money from the taxable to the Roth.The caveat is (as I understand it.) when it is transfered the current value is what counts against your maximum deduction for the year. If you make a killing in your taxable account, Uncle Sam is going to
>Would it make sense to try and save up / make as much money as I can
If the company you work for offers a 401k plan, invest at minimum the
>in my std. brokerage account , then transfering some over to a Roth >IRA account . and use it there for accumulation / option trading ??? >And just use the regular std. brokerage for stocks ? amount that your company will match dollar for dollar, and in fact if they match partially after that, go up to at least that amount. The company where I work, matches 1:1 up to 3%, and 50c on the dollar for everything up to 6%, which means every year the company gives me 4.5% for FREE. Max out your Roth IRA, for 2008, the maximum contribution is $5,000.
I have stocks in both my standard account and my IRA. The nice thing
Say you bought a share of Google last week when it was 450, and this
I plan to keep the Ameritrade (std) account (at least for the CGMFX
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: General Investment Advice
Prestoni, do you have any good recommended books I could read / that
you read to help you understand / get better at options ? Also, do you know what does Option BP mean when you sign into
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:09:39 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: General Investment Advice
With that said, it looks like the possibility of someone making a
killing / huge return is quicker, but more riskier with Options. I think if I am going to start playing around with options, I will open an Roth IRA account with another brokerage, like you said, possiblty Zecco, and trade options there, while keeping stocks on my TD Ameritrade account. Nevertheless,, I have a long way to go, this is only the beginning, :) You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: prestoni...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: General Investment Advice
neveral...@yahoo.com wrote:
BP is buying power. Its the maximum value of stocks/options/mutual
> Prestoni, do you have any good recommended books I could read / that > you read to help you understand / get better at options ? > Also, do you know what does Option BP mean when you sign into
funds that you can purchase. If you have a margin account, BP is typically 2x what your non-
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:44:23 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: General Investment Advice
Is it normal to not have " Stock BP " category ?
My account looks like this. Cash balance
Also I have a Stock + Option account only, no margin account. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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| Subject changed: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this |
From: ara...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
> To get $4400 profit , Should person need to buy first 100 stocks by
No you dont need to actually buy (you dont need to have 53k to make
> paying $530 * 100 = $53,000 (One might NOT have these much money into > account) to sell them in $600 a stock or person can just sell without > even actually buying them. profit) ... in the given example (i.e. when goog trades at 600 before may 17) the GOOG May17 530 call would be trading for $70 (or more), so you can simply sell the call option that you have. so purchase price = 2600 and selling price 7000 (profit = 4400). but remember, if goog goes below 530 and stays there for next 1 month,
do some dummy trades in a practice account or something (not with real
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:20:12 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
Yea I prracticed on a dummmy account for a few months before I got
into Real Stocks... Iguess now I should practice on a Dummy account with Options... You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: ly8...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:58:08 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
if you put LEH or BSC at the right time, you get a 500x, which is much
bigger than GOOG's 20% boost. WM same case. a good hedge on LEH or BSC sometimes can give u 10000x profit. If you bought those dollar option (just like lotteries) for just 100 then after you wake up you recognize that you re sleeping on 1 million. Market always has some gambling chances, but you have to admit those brave players' actions. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:03:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:03 am
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
To do what you just said, how much am I actually risking out of my
pocket, for such multipliers ? Comission + what else ? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: ara...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:09 am
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
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From: ara...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:10 am
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
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From: dabun...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:18 am
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
Why does the april 19th 520 strike price go for 17,000%. When you buy
a 520 call strike, you are allowed to buy that stock at $520. Why did the option value get so much higher when the shares went above 520? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:22 am
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
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From: neveral...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:38:13 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 20 2008 12:38 am
Subject: Re: Google options up 17530%. could someone Explain this
I think I know....its because originally the 530 calls options were
worth .10 cents each, and the highest on friday was @ 547.XX so I think you need to subtract 547 - 530 = 17$ which is 17,000% increase from .10 = your profit ? Correct me if im wrong.. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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