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From: ashtonleigh...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:27:44 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2008 3:27 pm
Subject: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
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From: carrier...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:09:03 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2008 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
Risk to Reward ratio giving Navios a boost! Earnings call looks
positive! About Navios, if you are a trader, I suggest you stay away! If you are a investor then you should have no fears, and know that the opportunities outweigh the risks! You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: kenneth.lundqu...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:16:34 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2008 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
Carrier - I'm starting to think you're a pretty good Navios
cheerleader. I'm in for long as well - though I can't wait to see the earnings
I mean $1.70!!?? Either this is a great opportunity or I've just
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From: ashtonleigh...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:29:11 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2008 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
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From: smc...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:50:43 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2008 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
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From: smc...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:14:10 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2008 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=187110&p=irol-newsArticle...
Those look pretty good to me. They moved to reduce their commitments
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From: carrier...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 17 2008 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
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From: ashtonleigh...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:01:14 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2008 9:01 am
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
I'm not surprised but will other be? Dividend is getting cut? Long
term will be fine because of the restructured vessel purchase plans! You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: carrier...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:55:57 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2008 9:55 am
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
They pulled the old rabbit out of the hat trick with those
cancellations! And if you include the buyback they actually increased value to shareholders, not cut it. They more than exceeded my expectations. Dont forget one of their strong points, Navios and their counterparties are insured for 2 billion. The market outlook looks weak now, but we are at 1985 levels in the BDI and urbanization of emerging countries continues, this is a near term slump, and global growth will continue just like it always has, and if you ask why? Its because people have infinite wants and desires, and as the world becomes more and more connected and populated each day. The value of Navios business structure will increase at a exponential rate along with the human race. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: ld1...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:45:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2008 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
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From: JasonJo <Jason.Jo...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:56:33 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2008 10:56 am
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
What about the fact that vessel values are decreasing at a rate higher
than the decrease of debt on those assets? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: carrier...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:22:12 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 18 2008 11:22 am
Subject: Re: Who is rolling the dice on earnings? Outlook could bankrupt!
Considering the current environment, Navios clearly outlined a path
for future growth. All drawdowns are provided for, cancellations are ongoing and imminent. Those Ships that are not cancelled, are insured for by both parties, and cannot be cancelled due to insurance policies stipulations. As those ships come online their earnings will increase. As long as the BDI stabilizes and we are not headed into another Great Depression, Navios has a superior position to take advantage of long term global trends. If the BDI will stay depressed at these levels, or you think it's the end of the world, then you should sell your shares, by all means. Because if the BDI stays this low for 3 years, then that would mean that there is the potential that 3 years out they may get into trouble with loans, It's obvious from looking at current forward long term chartered out ratios. At the same time note that every company in the sector is facing the exact same problem. However the intrinsic value of Navios makes it the best deal in this sector by far. Adressing the current stock price, It is obvious from watching the trades go by that NM is still being pressured from forced liquidation. The amount of buyers outnumber the sellers, however because the size of positions are so large among those liquidating, there is downside pressure. simple economics. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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