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From: Gordon Gekko - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 10:08 am
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From: dlmaricha...@verizon.net - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 10:24 am
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Yes, WFR got killed yesterday because of weakness in the semiconductor
industry and some QC issues and it has brought down the entire solar
sector. Solar demand remains strong so there should be a rebound.

From: Gordon Gekko - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 10:27 am
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this is f#$@ ridiculous.  averaging down!


From: julie.2c...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 10:39 am
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totally insane.  Not averaging down yet. Still some issues:
Spain - subsidies - will they be lowered? an unknown.
US - lack of subsidies.... If only legislation for this would go thru
as quickly as legislation for Fannie and Freddie.
Europe and China - is demand for solar energy slowing?

From: weilian...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 10:49 am
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its gonna down to 20


From: Moron...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 10:54 am
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Go away.


From: silver_eclipse...@yahoo.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 1:07 pm
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The solar industry as a whole is very shaky right now.

Companies don't have adequate cash and many (ASTI, CSIQ, ESLR, etc.)
have had to do secondary offerings and such just to stay afloat.

http://www.247wallst.com/secondary_offering/index.html

This is a good thing.  Sift out the weaker companies through
bankruptcies and mergers.  The strongest ones will survive.  FSLR &
STP in my mind are the only 2 worth considering that have decent EPS,
profit margins, and ROE -- enough to weather the storm.  I'm waiting
on about a  10% slide for either/both to be more attractive.


From: julie.2c...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 2:45 pm
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STP is down 8.2% just today!
Is it more attractive?
The pundits say when you feel like puking, you should buy, rather than
sell. [Uggh.]  I guess it's time to buy...  [gag...]
.
Silver... I liked what you said about STP. It makes me feel like
sticking with the stock -- after all, I've stuck with it this long.
.... But I think this is it.  My capitulation.  Somebody make this
nightmare go away!!!

Time to buy one of the ultra-short ETFs again? Sigh.

Glad there are other people in the discussion group to have a shoulder
to cry on, so to speak.  (Misery loves company?)


From: securusinve...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 2:47 pm
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From: chu...@rogers.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 3:21 pm
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silver;
Your comment in respect to ESLR raising cash via convertible bonds is
not a fair comment as they did not do so to "stay afloat" the cash was
not for operating capital, but it will be going towards finishing
their Devens facility. They used the debt offering to grow the company.

From: securusinve...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 3:51 pm
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Let's say that a group of 'money changers' knew with certainty that
this stock is going to 100 and beyond. These people think long term,
and have the financial power to send a stock down.  If they wanted to
own this company, or have a majority stake, would they buy the stock
or sell it?  If they bought it, the price would go up and they would
pay a lot more, plus they couldn't get their hands on the shares
already owned by other shareholders.

So they sell.  They control the price, and sell, sell, sell.  Now
everybody starts running for the exits. Now there is more stock
available to them, and at a lower price.  Repeat this process enough
times, and the objective will be obtained.   Remember that STP had an
excellent earnings report, but the stock immediately came down from
49.  That is not coincidence.


From: dlmaricha...@verizon.net - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 4:26 pm
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Yes, I figured that when earnings was pushed out to the 20th, that
they would have one or two last opportunities to push the stock down
and make some money before the run up. Key is to sell right before
earnings (at least 50% of your holdings) because you know that they
are going to beat it up again after earnings. Just position yourself
so that you are on the train when it leaves. Resist the temptation to
sell. This is a solid company and will be on top in the long run.

From: Moron...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 4:52 pm
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Earnings pushed out to the 20th?  Last quarter was 22nd.  Seems two
days earlier to me.  But, I just think 22 is lmore than 20.  Besides,
it's based on estimated time for closing books, auditing and
preparation.

Sell at least 50% of your holdings right befoe the run-up?  Good move
Gomez.  Still playing with the toy trains?  How's Morticia?

Jeezus!


From: dlmaricha...@verizon.net - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 7:27 pm
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I guess you misunderstood (learn to read please)...thus the "Moron" in
the name. Sell before earnings announcement, not the run-up (if there
is a run up). If the expectations get priced into the run up, then it
will only be downhill from there. But perhaps you buy high and sell
low. Also, I saw a posting earlier for earnings to be announced on the
4th or 5th. I'll bet your a real pleasant person to be around.

From: securusinve...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 7:44 pm
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Last time at earnings there was a reason for profit taking, because
the stock had risen sharply just prior to that. The next earnings,
which will again be great, should send the stock back up.

STP, by all standards, is a superb company.  Top of the line.  And yet
it is but a playball at the mercy of the criminal minds who seek
complete world domination, especially if they should have a motive in
China.  Do they?

International bankers now own America.  The latest chapter is the Fed
getting more power from Congress. Greenspan and his immediate crisis
(sounds familiar?) had given them the Plunge Protection Team; a safety
net to avoid crashes, that was really a way to artificially control
the market and, if so desired, pull out the safety net...  America is
'money in the bank' for these money changers.  Your jaw would drop if
you knew what they have done.  (see linked article at end).

China offers more of a challenge for them.  These bankers didn't get a
foot in the door there until the 21st century.   I'm fairly certain
that they will seek to apply the same medicine, or shall we say 'Fed-
icine', there as they have done here.  This will almost certainly
involve manufactured economical crises (allowing the Fed and bankers
to come 'to the rescue').

The illegality of the Fed was well known to the American public in the
past, with many former US presidents commenting on the outrage, until
the complete control of the media (by you guessed who) prevented the
people from finding out.

The market is inherently corrupt.  That is the key to understanding
it. It shouldn't be this way.  But unfortunately it is.   Find out
what the media won't tell you here:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/History-of-Bankers.htm


From: mki5.corn...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 9:48 pm
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You guys have to consider all scenarios. What if yes, they did have a
great Q2 and beat all expectations in terms of rev and eps, BUT they
give out a very weak Q3 guidance b/c of spain's continuing subsidy
uncertainty? That will not only break any sort of technical analysis
bs bottom resistance, but will remain there in perhaps low-mid 20's.

At the end of the day, you still have to think s-t for these good
solar companies (stp, spwr, fslr). Will they have an oversupply in
this 2H and next year? That is the real question, not how well they
did in Q2.


From: Moron...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 9:56 pm
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That's a pretty long rant.  Let me guess, you're a conspiracy nut,
right?

Who really killed JFK?


From: securusinve...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 11:29 pm
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From: dlmaricha...@verizon.net - view profile
Date: Fri, Jul 25 2008 12:16 am
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Yes, but if there is an oversupply and weaker companies are driven out
of the market (or bought out by stronger companies), then this will
bode well for companies like STP that are large and profitable.

From: dgint...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Fri, Jul 25 2008 8:39 am
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securusinve.. have you seen 'empire of the city' ? there are 5 parts,
linking history up with what you speak of.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549 t=


From: securusinve...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Fri, Jul 25 2008 6:03 pm
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Thanks dgint...  I'll look at that.

To Moron, who has the questionable taste to keep asking who killed JFK
every time something outside of media coverage comes up:  the reason I
added the above link is that it provides a very long term and
historically accurate perspective of what moves markets.  Is this
useful for traders?  You decide.  History does tend to repeat itself.
(Of course, if that is too predictable for you, stick with your highly
original JFK joke).


From: securusinve...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Fri, Jul 25 2008 6:12 pm
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