China BAK Battery Inc. Google Group

OH NO! Cramer recommending it!

rkseid...@gmail.com (Robyn) — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:30:56 UT

The kiss of death!

"Target price 6.00 by 2010 ... This is a well run company with a
strong business plan, strong leadership, obvious winner. Great
Potential "

Ah well, even a blind squirrel as they say.

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Re: Why are we up...and Hans

rkseid...@gmail.com (Robyn) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:23:04 UT

And then there is this [link]

"New regulations for the production of batteries, both nickel-hydrogen
and lithium-ion, have been submitted to China's State Council,
according to Wang Shulin, a National Development and Reform Commission

Re: Why are we up...and Hans

rkseid...@gmail.com (Robyn) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:01:23 UT

FWIW my peculation is that CBAK will "soon" announce a deal with
Dongfeng, which partners with Nissan in China. Nissan has made quite a
few deals with various Chinese cities to work together on a roll out
of electric cars and a charging network. China would only allow that
if the cars were made and supplied locally. Unlikely that Nissan would

Re: Why are we up...and Hans

rkseid...@gmail.com (Robyn) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:16:35 UT

This [link]
might be part of it.

"According to Bloomberg, the world's largest producer of greenhouse
gasses is looking to cut back on its environmental impact potentially
to the tune of $454 billion in spending over the next five years.

BZCN rising fast

royaltycrui...@yahoo.com (DayTrader) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:38:16 UT

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and buying going on. BZCN had a nice pull back right before close
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this stock hit 12 cents. Even if we only get to 5 cents this year
that will be more then a 5000% gain.

Why are we up...and Hans

tgres...@gmail.com (Terry) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:26:28 UT

Anyone know why we are up

Re: IF YOU ARE SMART - TAKE YOUR MONEY AND WALK AWAY FROM CBAK

rkseid...@gmail.com (Robyn) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:48:17 UT

This also of note - [link]

"Regulations on the development of “new energy” vehicles have been
submitted to China’s State Council for approval and are expected to be
officially in effect in March 2010, according to a report in Gasgoo

Re: IF YOU ARE SMART - TAKE YOUR MONEY AND WALK AWAY FROM CBAK

robynkaplanseid...@gmail.com (Robyn Seidman) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:27:59 UT

IF one believes that the global economy is mortally wounded then sure.
IF OTOH one sees that China is recovering nicely and, the dear to our
hearts and perceptions but in truth lagging indicator unemployment
figures aside, the US is coming out the other side as well, then this
- [link] -

IF YOU ARE SMART - TAKE YOUR MONEY AND WALK AWAY FROM CBAK

hans.h.svens...@gmail.com (Hans Svensson) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:43:09 UT

This company has proved over a long time now that it is not able to
protect the stockholders money.
The economy is so damaged that it will not survive.

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Re: Where do people think this stock is going in the near term??

tgres...@gmail.com (Terry) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:47:27 UT

Great thoughts and ideas smod, but you and all the other thinking
people know that the gas car, the gas bus, the gas motor scooter and
etc are going to decline from now on. GENERAL MOTORS BANKRUPT , No one
ten years ago , except maybe Warren or Bill, would have thought it
possible... I'd love to see an overnight shift, but we both know that

Re: The Big Bad BYD

stephanbrueck...@yahoo.com (boards) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:04:22 UT

Hi Robyn-

Just read an interesting article and found something noteworthy to
pass along:

Recently, BYD was touted in an investment newsletter. What I found
interesting was (supposedly) their big advantage is the cheap human
labor component:

"The big innovation from BYD was not in some radical redesign of the

Re: Where do people think this stock is going in the near term??

daerang...@gmail.com (smod) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:27:25 UT

You would think, however a lot of people buy stocks to make money or
at least feel like some equity is building up given risk constraints
etc. The steep drop has likely caused a bit of a panic as people
unload losses and look for opportunities that seem a little more
'rational'. Share price in a money losing company with a brilliant

Where do people think this stock is going in the near term??

tgres...@gmail.com (Terry) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:52:11 UT

Seems to me it has to go north given all that is coming down the
"pike"..turnpike that is...

Re: CBAK did it again

jrgriffi...@gmail.com (jrgriffinmd@gmail.com) — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:01:34 UT

Slowly buying back what I sold at 3.88. Today, at 3.27.

On Oct 27, 11:04 pm, "jrgriffi...@gmail.com" <jrgriffi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Re: CBAK did it again

jrgriffi...@gmail.com (jrgriffinmd@gmail.com) — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:04:31 UT

Little did I know that today, we would break through the 3.55 price
point and plunge even further to 3.44. So now with every PP offering
CBAK has made during the last two years, the share price subsequently
has dipped below the PP offering price. All of you who feel cheated
by the PP can now buy shares for less than the folks who recently put

Re: CBAK did it again

jrgriffi...@gmail.com (jrgriffinmd@gmail.com) — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:50:47 UT

I have been a long-term investor in CBAK for more than 2 years. But I
recently sold most of my holdings (at 3.88) and will buy back as soon
as the stock drops below the PP price of 3.55. We are almost there.
One never knows whien the run-up trigger will be pulled, so I don't
want to be out too long. The money could be used to enhance the

Re: CBAK did it again

rkseid...@gmail.com (Robyn) — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:43:41 UT

Question:

CBAK has heavily invested already in huge amounts of highly automated
capacity, especially of their high power line, to the best of our
knowledge not yet producing much volume, and in building parts of
their own supply chain for that capacity. Do they have enough business
lined up that they need to expand on that capacity? Surely not, but

Re: CBAK did it again

wxyz1...@gmail.com (nick) — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:24:16 UT

jrgriffinmd, I took about 2/3's off the table during the recent run
up. I wasn't comfortable with the history of the stock performance.
Now this. I wish now I unloaded the remaining 1/3rd. Oh well, I agree
with you. I think this will trend down and now I'm more concerned
about the next cc as well. I'm thinking the waiting is not going to

CBAK did it again

jrgriffi...@gmail.com (jrgriffinmd@gmail.com) — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:30:10 UT

If you own this stock, you live in an earthquake zone. Every so
often, the company raises $20 million or so with a delectable (for
special people) private offering priced WAY below the market and
sweetened by a giveaway warrant or option. The rest of us suffer.
Tony Shen told me that this is the least expensive way CBAK can raise

Re: The Big Bad BYD

rhenry...@gmail.com (Ron Henry) — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:59:26 UT

A little off topic, but have you guys seen this site? Looks kinda good
[link]

On Oct 14, 5:33 am, Robyn Seidman <robynkaplanseid...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Re: The Big Bad BYD

wxyz1...@gmail.com (nick) — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:55:28 UT

CBAK is on their road show. I haven't seen the presentation yet on
the CBAK website like they have done in the past. I would like to see
what "new" info they may be sharing. With next cc 6+ weeks away, a
lot of business progress could have or might solidify. Any idea when
CBAK will post the road show info?

Re: The Big Bad BYD

harmoni...@gmail.com (james) — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:40:06 UT

CBAK is definitely a long term play. I'd say the most can be gained
by sticking around for atleast a year if not more...

On Oct 14, 7:33 am, Robyn Seidman <robynkaplanseid...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Re: Commodity prices; rare earth metals; and China.

jfacci...@gmail.com (jfacciuto) — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:47:39 UT

excellent info

On Oct 13, 8:09 pm, Robyn Seidman <robynkaplanseid...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The Big Bad BYD

robynkaplanseid...@gmail.com (Robyn Seidman) — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:33:16 UT

BYD is of course the dominant battery player for EV in China in most
radars and by market cap - much thanks to Buffet's endorsement. But
how does their reliance on low cost labor compare to CBAK's higher
tech automated lines over a longer term, in an economy in which the
standard of living is inexorably rising? Over what time scale will

Commodity prices; rare earth metals; and China.

robynkaplanseid...@gmail.com (Robyn Seidman) — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:09:33 UT

Let us assume that demand for EVs does indeed modestly take off
worldwide. Access to materials, including rare earth metals, will be
critical. Interesting (see [link] )

"You're not alone if you can't name any of these rare-earth minerals.
Words like yttrium, holmium, lanthanum, and thulium don't exactly roll

Re: Just ran down insider trading

wxyz1...@gmail.com (nick) — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:41:47 UT

Nice announcement on BAK India today. Their global footprint is
impressive and growing. Looking forward to next conference call. I
would think that
prior to the cc, we would be able to see the presentation material of
their current road show on the BAK website too.

Re: Just ran down insider trading

harmoni...@gmail.com (james) — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:22:11 UT

The next tentative earnings announcement is expected on 11/30/2009.

^-- I took this from Scottrade website

Re: Just ran down insider trading

rkseid...@gmail.com (Robyn) — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:52:25 UT

Should be soon.

Some of the institutional investing may also come from this -
[link] - HP sales in China
are recovering nicely, as a re other laptops and netbooks. The
combination of having had raw materials cheaper lately and coming out
the other side of the global meltdown should get CBAK back to its 2006

Re: Just ran down insider trading

wxyz1...@gmail.com (nick) — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:54:07 UT

Do you guys know when the next conference call is planned? With each
quarter, the results and news should become more robust - in my
opinion.
I'm still curious what may be going on with FAW visit? Any thoughts?

Re: Just ran down insider trading

robynkaplanseid...@gmail.com (Robyn Seidman) — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:05:21 UT

The overall pace we've had (not 500K/h) sure can continue. Once
institutions start buying volumes increase. And institutions are like
sheep too. Where one goes others often want to follow. The A123 got
some to take the sector more seriously than they had and they like the
long term outlook. As they analyze in more depth they see that AONE

Re: Just ran down insider trading

jrgriffi...@gmail.com (jrgriffinmd@gmail.com) — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:48:10 UT

Who is doing all of this buying? Over 1 million shares in less than 2
hours! That pace can't continue. These have to be institutions who
plan to hold for at least a quarter or more, not hedge funds or in-and-
out traders. I guess that Tony Shen is wowing them with his road show
in the U.S. and Europe. Still, when the volume drops back to normal,

Re: Just ran down insider trading

stephanbrueck...@yahoo.com (boards) — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:52:02 UT

Good call!

Check out the Mffais page and scroll down. You can see all of the
recent mutual fund purchases and sells:

[link]

Re: Just ran down insider trading

jfacci...@gmail.com (jfacciuto) — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:02:36 UT

Found that CBAK is under HEAVY accumulation by Financial
institutions........very unusual for a small CAP.....

Re: Just ran down insider trading

andy.kowie...@gmail.com (wiskie) — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:56:47 UT

At the end of the day, this stock should be running high. Look at the
direction of the market cap of AONE. That stock is valued at
something like $2B and CBAK is no where near that. You would think
the valuation of both companies would be relatively similar,
especially with the agreement from 06 or 07 between the two

Re: Run up for CBAK

wxyz1...@gmail.com (nick) — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:49:08 UT

OK - I took a more cautious approach this time with the run up and
took some $ off the table. Not sure if that was the right move or not
but, being in the black, I didn't want to see another downturn to the
low $3.00 range and end up kicking myself like I did before. I agree
we are headed in the right direction however I still think that we are

Re: Run up for CBAK

stephanbrueck...@yahoo.com (boards) — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:22:03 UT

I agree- the risk now is not being in this when it makes its run w/o
looking back.

Last time it spiked on the HP LOI, it took 2-3 days to get to $9. This
time, we can only hope it will be longer lasting.

Regarding the insider lack of activity, remember the CEOs 500,000
share stock grant from June? It has a vesting schedule for the next

Re: Just ran down insider trading

harmoni...@gmail.com (james) — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:26:37 UT

Yea some institutions have been buying, as you can obviously tell from
the massive amount of volume we're experiencing

it is definitely institutions... and I think you guys are right about
the AONE IPO bringing CBAK to the front of investors' minds

that may be why these institutions are getting in...

Just ran down insider trading

jfacci...@gmail.com (jfacciuto) — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:34:07 UT

Absolutely NO insider trading .....none.....buy or sell........put all
this together.......somebody knows something.........
no sales = anticipation and no trouble with SEC, no buys= nobody wants
trouble with SEC......standing pat, waiting...........looks like we
are all in the same boat.......

Re: Run up for CBAK

jfacci...@gmail.com (jfacciuto) — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:57:52 UT

You said what I've been hearing.....seriously hearing.....I just don't
want anyone thinking I'm dreaming or trying to spam...

I've ridden this pony for quite a while.....remember the Kentucky
Derby this year?.....Cbak is just now hitting the back stretch.....and
we all saw what that horse did......

Re: Run up for CBAK

stephanbrueck...@yahoo.com (boards) — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:25:55 UT

Long and strong, have no fear...
Think the AONE IPO was a wake up call to the investment community.
Now everyone knows who the players are in the alt energy EV arena.
When they do their DD they will realize who has the automation, low
cost and capacity to bring LiFeFO4 batteries to the EV market.

Re: Run up for CBAK

jfacci...@gmail.com (jfacciuto) — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:57:46 UT

anyone considering selling........suggestion, don't......this is no
spike......no concrete data here on the ground...but the wind's
howling at 35,000 feet.......

Re: Run up for CBAK

harmoni...@gmail.com (james) — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:11:55 UT

That is some damn good DD... thanks for the info

Re: Run up for CBAK

stephanbrueck...@yahoo.com (boards) — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:20:31 UT

FWIW:

I think that this is the beginning of the move we have all been
waiting for. The company isn't big on hype, just a nose to the
grindstone work ethic. Over 30% of stock is held by insiders. On
6/22/09 the CEO was granted 500,000 shares as comp. These people
believe in what they are doing and seem to get what they need to do to

Re: Run up for CBAK

jfacci...@gmail.com (jfacciuto) — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:06:03 UT

agree totally......patience is a virtue!......

Re: Run up for CBAK

rkseid...@gmail.com (Robyn) — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:35:04 UT

All I can say is that I am happier to see it mostly holding steady to
creeping up on high volume then I would be to see it break out
upwards. The latter is often due to sheep playing the momentum; the
former is real growth that can be sustained, with new investors
getting in and speculators having their chance to get out, especially