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From: wimme...@hotmail.com - view profile
Date: Sun, Jul 20 2008 4:15 am
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p/e of fslr is high, same as the bubble 2000-2001 when stocks like
these had an p/e of 100+ and they all crashed..

From: tdjac...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Sun, Jul 20 2008 4:54 pm
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From: government....@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 2:27 am
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Big boys and hedge funds who trade FSLR don't look at its P/E. People
kept talking about its high p/e when the stock was trading at 200. But
that didn't stop it from climbing to 317. People can talk about FSLR p/
e now, too, while FSLR will be completely ignoring them and continue
to rise to 400.

It is better if you concentrate on the news that directly influence
FSLR, i.e. its new plant project, its excellent earnings report, its
expansion in Malaysia and now California.

You will be completely wasting your time if concentrate on FSLR's p/e,
which is not so important any more.


From: Tellurium...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 9:30 am
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P/E is something to watch with mature companies in mature industries,
like blue chips.


From: dbara...@umsis.miami.edu - view profile
Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 11:54 pm
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If they don't keep putting out really impressive earnings P/E is
something to worry about.

From: hugo.d...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 4:48 pm
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Yes FSLR will crash and burn. FSLR is a shorts dream stock, it trades
like clockwork. if you like to short and make fast money FSLR is a
good stock. if you like to go long and hope for the greater fool and
dump before the shorts come, you can also make money. FSLR is not a
buy/hold stock.


From: Jonathon...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 7:23 pm
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From: timsonlinesa...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 7:17 pm
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I am in FSLR at $74. Also making money on selling covered calls. Not a
buy and hold?

From: benny...@yahoo.com - view profile
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:54 pm
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There are so many other solar companies on the rise, and with a big
return. FSLR is a hype

From: Tellurium...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 9:26 am
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Enjoy the smash talk while you can. The shoe of reality and cost
leadership is about to drop on your head.


From: ken.mayle@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 9:55 am
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agreed, this is a prime short.

220 to 240 by the end of the month.


From: nnamow...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 10:58 am
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I dont understand how you are able to come up with specific values for
where you "think" a stock is going to be in a month, seems a bit
foolish, unless you have a crystal ball...your not Dionne Warwick are
you?  Could you explain your reasoning?


From: Tellurium...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 11:44 am
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Get ready for the squeeze play. Oil prices are going down temporarily
from a combination of unwinding short trades in crude oil that did not
work out and the fundamental issue of downdrafts in the near term
outlook for Japan and EU econ growth rates. Unwinding the trades will
not last that long. It is less certain how long the global economy
will dip. That could take more time. The ongoing train wreck of
falling non-OPEC oil output will buffer the dip in global demand
though.


From: ken.mayle@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 12:07 pm
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From: Tellurium...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 12:15 pm
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Yep, and maybe the crystal ball is fuzzy like the logic.


From: nnamow...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 12:24 pm
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From: Jimhen...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 12:47 pm
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over $6 billion dollars(US) in backorders for delivery through 2012.
Starting to build US presence and installations.  Forward p/e is in
the 40's until they beat again in a week and analysts have to raise
estimates for next year... again.  All these potential competitors are
just that - potential.  Until they start producing cells/panels in
commercial quantities and not just in the lab under perfect conditions
they are not competitors.  The pre IPO darling Nanosolar is still in
the sending samples phase to potential customers.  By end of next year
FSLR will be over 1Gw of production per year.

While some may argue overvalued, I say buying opportunity.  There's
enough demand for more than one company to do really well.  As long as
FSLR stays in the top tier for price per watt (1st right now) they
will do just fine and make a loooot of money.


From: Tellurium...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 2:15 pm
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Well done Jim. You packed more useful and strategic info in two
paragraphs than 90 percent of business writers have been willing or
able to do.


From: gavis...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 6:53 pm
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Jim, great summary.  Do you have any visibility into the terms of
those contracts on backorder?  Are they cancellable by the customer?

The biggest risk I see with FSLR, as with any tech play, is that once
the feasibility of a new product is established, another company
improves the technology takes a bite out the market share.  While FSLR
may still be able to compete with a lower market share in that
scenario, the P/E is no longer justified.  The amount of R&D being
pumped into solar is significant enough to make this risk very real.
How does FSLR compete at the R&D level in order to support a forward P/
E in the 40's?


From: Jimhen...@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 8:35 pm
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Contracts are firm.  The only way they don't get money for delivery of
the panels is if they don't deliver the panels.  Customers are
obligated to pay as long as the delivery is within timeframe and
overall efficiency meets a minimum standard, which has not been a
problem or likely to be one.

FSLR has their own proprietary technology and machines - they do not
use AMAT machines or any stock chip making gear.  They have elected to
not file patents and go with trade secrets instead for the process.
So I can't really answer too much as to the technology and the R&D and
how that compares to another company with a different tech.  When FSLR
IPO'd they had a run rate of 25Mw per line.  It's around 45Mw per line
per year now.  FSLR is downright tightlipped about many aspects of
their process and what the immediate future plans are.  Look at the
recent solar plant announcements that they've kept under wraps as long
as possible instead of trumpeting it as soon as possible.  They had a
long time to work on their tech without a demand for a specific return
on capital invested by their equity investors as they had patient
money (Walton of WalMart), which I would imagine is not the case for
many of these other startups.

As for competing at the R&D level for a forward p/e of 40?  They
produce their cells for $1.14/watt, which is the lowest cost per watt,
and this is lower than the price they had at IPO (I can't remember
offhand), but they've continuously brought it down at a decent rate.
Until another company can prove its claims there is no reason to leave
this one.  You'll have enough time to see the other actually work and
prove it before you have to leave.  It's not like FSLR is going to not
have revenue and earnings in the meantime while the other, if it does,
comes along.

And again, the forward p/e is in the 40's only so long as the
estimates are correct for next year.  If it's $7 or more, as I believe
its going to be, then you're looking at a p/e in the upper 30's.
Analysts have not once been at or in front of the earnings for this
company.  I see the next few qtrs at least continuing the same.  90
days ago the estimate for next year was $5.11 now its $5.84.  Energy
is a trillion dollar market.  It's not like the internet where they
had to create new markets and were valued on 'eyeballs per page' and
other nonsense ratios.  One can legitimately argue over the correct p/
e level for FSLR, but a) it has one, and b) it is not at all the same
as the internet boom/crash.  Whatever the stock price does their
revenue is going to keep pumping along.  The problem with the internet
was that after a bit everyone realized that all these eyeballs were
great, but there wasn't any revenue and it wasn't growing at a fast
enough pace to justify the valuation levels.


From: r.thomp...@coloradops.com - view profile
Date: Fri, Jul 25 2008 12:16 pm
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