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From: damarcop...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:35:43 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 20 2008 10:35 am
Subject: NMX SAGA CONTINUES
The saga continues -> Insiders exercising their cheap options and
selling the stock -> paying members less fees -> while retail shareholder like me struggle -> i still cant understand why the hurry to sell NYMEX when the whole world is screamming for lack of raw materials and commodities (which NYMEX enables to trade). SEC needs to review this proposal before CME buysNYMEX cheaply. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: damarcop...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: NMX SAGA CONTINUES
I am with Mr.Capozza on this. The volumes are rising in NYMEX
platform, the revenues are ebing reported in record levels thansk to the booming commodities markets which buoys the trades on NYMEX. But one deosnt see the multiples EV/REV whenit comes to CME buying NYMEX. I still dont understand the logic behind this deal excpet that the NYMEX senrior mgmt can make lot of dough with this sales. An anguished individual investor. NYMEX needs to review this deal from the value it brings to the table
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| Subject changed: Mr. Capozza's outlook is seriously flawed |
From: "Ed R." <reardon...@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 27 2008 8:02 pm
Subject: Mr. Capozza's outlook is seriously flawed
Equity markets are priced based on discounted future cash flows. The
US is in the biggest oil bubble they have seen in 200 years. NYMEX is doing between 1.1 and 1.4 million contracts a day because of the boom in oil prices. If this deal does not go through are you confident that oil will continue in a bubble for the next 4 years ? Because without this deal with the CME that is exactly the bet that NYMEX shareholders will have to make. If Nymex averages 1.3 million contracts a day for the month of July are you willing to bet that they will average 1.56 million contracts a day in July of 2009 and 1.87 million contracts a day in 2010 ? Do you honestly believe that oil volume can grow at a sustained 20 to 25 % volume growth from these current oil bubble levels ? Because at 83 dollars a share NYMEX is currently trading at 33 times earnings. That is very rich. If NYMEX does not do the current CME deal and anything happens in the next 3 years that causes NYMEX's volume to stop growing at 25 % then the market will price in the future cash flows to the tune of about 12 to 15 times earnings and the stock price of NYMEX shareholders will take a huge hit. If this is such a bad deal for NYMEX shareholders why hasn't any other exchange in the world countered with a better offer ? Why ? Because no one in the free world believes oil volume can continue to grow at 25 % a year for the next 10 years. Between the cost savings between the two exchanges and the breadth of products these two firms would have together this is a fair deal for CME shareholders and a fantastic deal for NYMEX shareholders. Turn this deal down and I will bet everything I own that two years from now CME gets NYMEX much cheaper. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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| Subject changed: Mr. Capozza's gets it right |
From: damarcop...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Mr. Capozza's gets it right
I understand DCF very well and other valuation techniwues. the point
is not how much to what discount and at what rate? one cane judge very well that the payout for the NYMEX execs was very high but furth erprodding now the payout has been reduced to the execs and increased to the floor members. an acquisition needs to show value in terms of compltementary offerings, future potential etc. except for the few cost cutting measure by moving the headquarters, retrenching employees is not a good strategy for NYMEX (when it doing so well and is expcted to do so). the commodities demand will be there. even if there is a correction - there will be demand for commodities and nymex will do well. we all can come up with fantastic numerical models with our own assumptions to conclude whetehr the deal is under or over priced. btw, p/e mulitples are good for wall street folks but not for shareholders like me. When the timing was right the NYMEX execs did not act, now they are giving a business that is doing so well. the underlying principle of shareholder value seems to be lacing in this deal. Go Mr.Capozza. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "Ed R." <reardon...@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:03:52 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 29 2008 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: Mr. Capozza's gets it right
Outstanding crude oil futures contracts fell to the lowest level in 14
months as commercial traders and institutional investors exited the oil market. I hope and pray Mr. Capozza's gets a big enough following to kill the CME deal. As a CME shareholder I want no part of severely overpaying for a 2 contract exchange whose volume has topped. Please help to kill this deal so we can revisit NYMEX's volume numbers in 2 years. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: damarcop...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:26:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 31 2008 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Mr. Capozza's gets it right
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aKMBqjv_F36o&refe...
Quote from the above article -
When the members who work on the floor don't see value in this deal -
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