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From: Paul <picketfencepl...@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:38:07 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Dec 13 2007 9:38 pm
Subject: GCH in Days before ex-date
Does anybody know what has happened? I thought the stock would move up
all week. $11.30 cash divy is huge. I can't believe this gem could be selling for $25.00 on ex-date next week. It's beginning to look like it. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Frank <chinesetoengl...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:39:33 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Dec 13 2007 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
There seems to have been some wavering in the Chinese market in this
last week. Since there have been noise about the Chinese bubble for months, people are a bit worried about funds focused on the region. I did not see this phenom last year and do not see it now in other
So there is concern about the Chinese market as well as the history of
I wished I had bought a bunch at 22.03 though. What a bargain. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Frank <chinesetoengl...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:23:07 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Dec 13 2007 11:23 pm
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
Here's a piece of related informtion. Looks like people perceive sub
prime as beginning to affect the Chinese market. ==================================================
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aoYTUtUiZIXc&refe...
Dec. 14 (Bloomberg) -- BOC Aviation, Bank of China Ltd.'s aircraft-
Asia's biggest lessor plans to more than double aircraft purchases
``With issues that are hitting financiers in Europe and US related to
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From: offpi...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:38:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Dec 14 2007 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
Help! I am trying to make sense of GCH.
GCH is primarily correlated with the major US market indicies e.g. SP500. Looking at historical data I don't see any major price movements around the ex div dates, and those dividends were a puny 1 or 2 dollars. There was a small run up and sell within a few days of the ex div dates. Other than that GCH moved as an amplified version of the US (and secondarily HK) stock market indexes. This implies increased volitility. I wish GCH would give more information on the dividend. Whether it is a one time dividend or will it happen again. Which holdings and what proportion of holdings did this come out of. Were these cap gains leveraged so the core funds stay intact? To my mind such a massive dividend appears to be "nuts" unless they genuinely did insanely well this year. With a yield ratio of nearly 30% this stock is grossly undervalued or I am missing something. Looking at the markets reaction to the dividend news, it's like there was no reaction. The bottom line, has GCH struck gold and if so will they do it again or are the fund managers crazy? Why do the market gods not care about the dividend, did they know about it all along and it is already built into the price, or is this off their radar screen being a closed end fund. I notice that my market report Categorizes GCH as Avoid. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Frank <chinesetoengl...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:37:02 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Dec 14 2007 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
For the last two years GCH has paid two dividends per year. Before
that, I believe that they paid once sometimes and twice in some instances. ALmost all funds have to pay some dividend at the end of the year since the normal shuffling and rebalancing of holdings during the year would result in some gains to be distributed. Other than that I don't know. Like I said there has been a lot of
But all this happened last year also and GCH did just fine this year
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From: Paul <picketfencepl...@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:53:43 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Dec 14 2007 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
etfconnect.com gives a great one page break-down of etf's and closed-
end funds. You will clearly see the amount and frequency of pay-outs. Personally, I think they are still sitting on big unrealized cap gains for '08. Why pay out nearly $13.00 in "07 and then leave yourself "dry" for '08. If I were GCH management, I would not want to make it so hard on myself in '08. And, if I started '08 with nothing juicy from '07 - and, had a bad year in '08 - my record would look really erratic paying out $13.00 one year and then next to nothing the following year. I think GCH will do fine in '08. I'm long-term on this one. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Frank <chinesetoengl...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:17:18 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Dec 15 2007 1:17 am
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
True. If you will note, GCH was at a very high premium in December
2006. That it would fall after paying the dividends is understandable. The manager at the time -- Wilfred Sit -- was replaced in (to my best recollection) March. I felt it was unwarranted because Sit was in my opinion a perfectly competent steward of the fund, but the nature of a closed ended fund is that it can be overvalued and undervalued by market forces. It was not Sit's fault that market forces pushed the premium to unsustainable levels. But Lillian Co seems capable enough as well so in the end it did not
This time it's a bit different. As of this moment, etfConnect.com
Then again anything could happen. So you're on your own with the
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From: invest4reti...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:10:18 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Dec 15 2007 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
a silly question: if you had been holding it for a few months, but
sold it before the ex-date, are you still entitled to have the dividends? thx. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Frank <chinesetoengl...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:44:10 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Dec 15 2007 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
Um, no.
You need to have owned it *before* the Ex date held it through the
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From: rhipw...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:49:15 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Dec 17 2007 3:49 am
Subject: Re: GCH in Days before ex-date
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