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From: newyorklondonhongk...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:23:16 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 12:23 pm
Subject: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Hi, why is this one dropping so badly? can somebody share your view?
I thought it is doing LNG filling and transportation business and the You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: mrosen...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:22:59 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
I have also tried to figure this out. This company has such high
promises for the future its really wierd. Maybe its some profit taking which is going on here. Could also be that the value is decreasing because there has been rumours about the company issuing new stock in connection with its NSDQ listing ? anyone ? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: hahn.hu...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Stock price manipulation. Look at the volume today. Someone's
dumping to drive the shares down (downward sliding of prices causes other smaller investors to dump their shares, further lowering the price), likely for the purposes of buying back the stock at low prices. At then end of the trading day (15 minutes ago), suddenly now there is a press release about the opening of 3 more CNG stations. Coincidence? Let's see how the stock price moves tomorrow. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: mrosen...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:33:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
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From: hahn.hu...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 8 2008 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
People, do your homework. The LNG plant will not be completed until
the first half of 2009. Don't expect it to add to the bottomline until late 2009 or even 2010. Gasoline prices are still controlled by the government, and while
I'm baffled by how many people on here are confusing a company's stock
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From: qhuang...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:34:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 9 2008 3:34 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
I have read an article about CHNG on www.invest18.com, it mentioned
about the new stock issues after listing on NASDAQ. The article is informative, it may gives you more perspective. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: internet...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 11 2008 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
OK I bought in at 4.70 but it looks like it's STILL dropping and no
signs of stopping. Should I get out on this one? Looks like it's gonna tank. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: hahn.hu...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 11 2008 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Everything dropped this week. Consider that it's between 4.60-4.70,
and you'd realize you're pretty lucky it hasn't dropped more. If you keep selling every stock you buy when it goes a little lower, you're never going to make any money in the market. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Nainar...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Step back from the charts and ask yourself if the fundimentals behind
the company have changed. If not, then why are you allowing the maniac- depressive, Mr. Market to play with your emotions? If you're investing emotionally, or on any basis other than company
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From: internet...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:40:10 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 11 2008 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
I agree but at the same time why aren't the fundamentals translating
into the charts...it's BECAUSE of the fundamentals that I invested into chng at 4.70. ultimately though, money is money and if I don't see results regardless of the fundamentals, what difference does it make? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: arturo8...@aim.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 13 2008 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
okay well lets see internet you invested at 4. 70 so clearly it was
recently. ask yourself this what type of investor are you? are you a day trader or a regular smart investor. becuase if you are then you should know to hold stock that has great fundamentals and an even better outlook for more then at least half a year. if you want to whine the entire 6 months then im sorry but theres nothing anyone can do for you. fact is is that this is a great company and if you can find single flaw with it like maybe its pipeline blew up then go ahead shoot. If not then there isnt any reason why this company and its stock shouldnt do well in the future. but whatever theres nothing i can say to you except sell if your going to get into coward omg my stock fell a dollar panic mode. the smarter investor will make money the other wont just how it is you choose what you are. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: mjmorri...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:04:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 13 2008 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
You have to look at things from a long term view point. Just assume
that your money is going to be tied up in this stock for 6 months. The stock could move higher due to the fat cats manipulating it, in which case, you might can sell it off next week. Good things come to those who wait. Patience pays. Sometimes it is good to just commit some money and forget about it for a few months. Motown
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From: internet...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 14 2008 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Uhm actually I invested when it was 10.30 a year ago and sold about 2
weeks ago when it was 6.10 and reloaded on the stock at 4.70. So yeah...I've been following this stock for a much longer time. More like I'm worried because the stock dropped over 50% and it's still dropping, not because it dropped $1. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: hahn.hu...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 14 2008 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
You have to interpret the "context" of a stock. At that time, 10.30
may have been justified (or at least SEEMED) justified because at that time, most investors were bullish. In a bull market, it probably could go into the double digits. There may have been more press releases at that time, or articles about the company. Etc, etc. Point is, in the context of today's market, the lack of recent news, and the possibility of share dilution (which I don't believe to be a significant hindrance to the EPS at its current growth rate), the share price is depressed. However, the company continues to expand, it has a solid, steady, and reliable business model, and there are no known significant hindrances to its growth (no competition in its region, government backed, increasing price advantages vs oil, etc). When companies start showing recovery, and investors aren't so fearful of investing anymore, the stock price of CHNG will rise as well. And pretty quickly. At a current PE ratio of 12.4, a conservative estimated 2008 growth of 70%, and an LNG processing plant scheduled to start operations in the first half of 2009 (and profit margins as high as 80%), I don't see how there's much force to drive it lower. So far, the only "negatives" I see are that the company is not putting out a lot of press releases (no hype), and it's not yet listed on a major exchange (and hopefully that changes by the end of summer). You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Michael.DeBro...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 14 2008 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Just bought another 100 shares at 4.44, long term looking amazing and
this baby is a long term winner. I really don't care about short term. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: arturo8...@aim.com
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 14 2008 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
if anyone wants to look at this stock technicly then the stock has
usually had a burst after a decline anyways the olympics are coming up they want to list themselves on nasdaq and the next earnings which include 3 more cng stations should be amazing. if you want to scream bloody murder fine but i would take advantage if anything. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Smitty Bone <jsmit...@bryant.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:27:30 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 15 2008 11:27 am
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
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From: hahn.hu...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 15 2008 11:44 am
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2005/2005-04-18-04.asp
>Gebert said a hydrogen park in the Olympic Village will demonstrate hydrogen technology by operating five >buses using Hythane® technology – a mix of hydrogen and natural gas.
The Olympics will be used as a green energy showcase, demonstrating
>City officials plan to achieve this goal by substituting natural gas, electricity and liquid petroleum gas for coal as >a household heating and cooking fuel. Other plans call for shutting down coking ovens in big industrial plants >and substituting natural gas for coal in some electricity generation. >For example, the Chinese are very interested in technology that combines power, heat and cooling. >“It’s a stand-alone system,” Gebert said, “like bringing a small-scale power plant into a building. You can >provide electricity to a small building - for example, a hospital or supermarket - using natural gas, not coal, for >cooling, heating and electricity, and you don’t have to be connected to the grid.” >Three buildings in Beijing might implement this technology in time for the Olympics, she said. alternative energy technologies. The Chinese government will likely use the Olympics as a way of getting the word out to start using cleaner energy sources, again, such as natural gas. Part of growing the usage of natural gas is promoting awareness of it and its advantages. There is no bigger stage to spread the word than the Olympics. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: cr1982 <wlach...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 15 2008 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Well, I dont know about how the rest of you feel, but I just doubled
my position and averaged my price down to $4.50. The first time I got in for CHNG was at $4.19 a long time ago, sold at $14. Please take into account that the company will issue earnings in about a month, if the company keeps the growth expect a jump in sahre price in the range of 20-30% given the low price the stock has right now. Hope everyone is buying. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: internet...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:56:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 15 2008 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
if you intended on doubling down, you should have waited a bit longer.
this thing is still going down. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: kelsey.e.w...@googlemail.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 15 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Ahh... finally someone who speaks the right lingo. The 'hype' over
this stock and its industry has passed. Now, earnings are the key. If they can manage something better than .10 a share EPS, than we should see some pump. I personally sold back at $7 a share, but it could easily reach that mark again if earnings are good. Les not forget, they are on the retail side of natural gas, so prices going up or down doesn't really affect a whole lot of their business since they operate on a fixed margin comparable to other gas companies. They don't discover the gas, they just sell it for the big boys. I have a few friends who still own this stock tho (on my recc) so I'm pulling for it. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Bourbon_on_my_cornflakes <bourbon_on_my_cornfla...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:05:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 15 2008 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
CHNG is being dumped, as people are buying its competitor SINE
instead. SINE will beat CHNG to the NASDAQ, they are scheduled to be there by October. SINE is forecasting $1.00 Per share fully diluted for 2009, is sellng for $4.99 a share. Better value. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: cr1982 <wlach...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 15 2008 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
I don´t really agree with you. If you look at the price chart of both
companies you will see that since the June 9 when CHNG strong price decline, SINE price declined and the volume traded was low compared to the volume being sold by SINE. If there was a real move of investors into SINE, which doesn´t compete with CHNG, they operate in totally different cities, SINE´s price would have increased instead of decreasing 20% during the period were CHNG has lost about 30%. My gut feeling and from following this stock (CHNG), if you analyze the price change a month-month and half before earnings release you will see there is some strong selling. Then they release earnings and the price per share jumps a bit. Given the volume traded for this stock, any big fund can manipulate the price just before earnings, dump their position, buy 10, 20, 30% cheaper and make a profit once earnings are released. On the other hand, I feel the market situation at the time encourages
From a P/E stand point both companies have interesting valuations,
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From: Bourbon_on_my_cornflakes <bourbon_on_my_cornfla...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:01:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 16 2008 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
Nice thoughtful post CR. I think stations will become a big part of
SINEs business as well as CHNGs. Long-term both should do well. SINE has shown more momentum recently putting out 2009 estimates and pushing openly for NASDAQ. So maybe current buyers are focusing on SINE. I am comfortable holding both, but would appreciate some info from CHNG on the status of their NASDAQ listing. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Nainar...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 16 2008 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Why is CHNG dropping so hard?
cr1982 wrote: The question you have to ask, is which has a
That's an good analysis, cr1982, but not one that I necessarily agree
> better business model for the future? For me, it is CHNG. with. SINE is aiming for a vertical integration in the regional CNG supply chain. They intend to operate and supply all levels of the business from production to wholesale to distribution with the exception of the natural gas wells themselves, which are run by subsidiaries of PRC's big 3 oil companies. This includes: CNG processing plants, CNG pressure containers, CNG trailers, CNG wholesale stations, CNG retail stations, and of course, engine conversion kits. By contrast, CHNG appears to be focusing their current efforts on just
SINE's vertical integration will allow them to manage risk and
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