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From: jaz...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:38:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 7:38 am
Subject: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
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From: hasangp...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:28:50 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 8:28 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
CONFIDENCE IN MANAGEMENT IS LOST.
Interest spread is too high at time of tightening. The announcement means TSL failed to raise $1B to finance Vertical Integration. Some financial damage is expected to cancel mega sacle equipment purchase and 1Q08 earnings may disappoint us as a result. Short term: better cash position and better rating. Long term: no more a growth stock. Sell into strength if you you bought their growth and switch to STP that already raised $$$ for expansion. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Chris.Chudko...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:06:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 9:06 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
hahah.. its a good thing.. they orginally planned to build the plant
because of an expected shortage of supply... but things have changed.. dont recall where i read it.. perhaps on cnbc.. there is an estimation that by 2009 or 2010.. silicon supply may outstrip the demand.. hasan is prob just hurting from his position in stp and would like to get out of it.. im sticking with my position with tsl and will prob buy more You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: tillil...@googlemail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 9:09 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
Wrong on three counts. TSL never had to raise $1bn in cash for the
plant, more than half the costs would have been covered by operating cash flow and profits, the plant was always slated to come onstream in 2010 at the earliest. No financial damage from purchase orders, as nothing was signed (read the press release carefully and you will understand) and GT Solar remains a key equipment supplier to TSL. This is a vote of confidence in the poly-silicon supply situation, scare stories of supply-demand imbalances until 2010 are overdone. Overall, prudent decision by the management, following their long-term
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From: hasangp...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:25:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 9:25 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
Chris. Things have not changed since TSL inked to purchase $59M poly
plant. Now it is extremely difficult to raise mega fund against its balance sheet in China as well as in US. I track poly spot price and it actually rose since their poly equipment purchase. Poly's spot price is now north of $400/Kg (cost is mere $40/Kg). I have no position in STP but maintain positions in TSL that is a trading stock to me. I simply advised jaz that, for long-term growth solar, STP is a safer bet than TSL. Traders like me prefer TSL as it is more volatile and provides a lot of opportunites. See U on May 18 week when TSL announce their 1Q08 earnings. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: db...@verizon.net
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:04:28 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 11:04 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
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From: Chris.Chudko...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 11:05 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
haha ok buddy you must be right.. thats why the stock is up 6% today..
apparently the street agrees with me.. the problem has been the fear of companies not being able to obtain silicon supply... tsl has now.. yet again.. said.. that silicon supply is not an issue.. on top of that there are other things going on where they obviously also thing prices iwll be down in the future.. if it was worth it they would be building the plant.. but things have changed.. your wrong.. the street agrees.. with me You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: bjr...@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
"that silicon supply is not an issue", your right if you want to pay
$400/Kg, instead of make it yourself for $50/Kg. I agree 100% with the post above, this is good for short term for money but in the long run when poly supplies are still at least $200/Kg they will not be able to compete with vertically integrated solar companies. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Chris.Chudko...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:36:22 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
if you guys knew how companies worked .. or specifically trina solar
you would understand that they are signing supply agreements which are not at the spot price... the spot is what it is right now to buy it.. it does not mean trina solar is buying at that price.. they have been signing supply contracts which are extremely liekly to be more reasonable... aside from that it is obvious that the cost (1 billion dollars) to build a plant does not outweigh the benefit they would get from producing silicon themselves.. read the article below.. especially the end.. the polysilicon supply issue will no longer be one in 2 years time.. which means prices will come down if not sooner.. which means future contracts signed by trina solar are only more beneficial http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/04/02/solar-energy-conference-mark... You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: kanghos...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:24:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
DID TSL MANAGEMENT FOOL SHAREHOLDERS ON 03/10/2008?
This deal with GT Solar ($49M) caused dumping of shares by small investors. Just one month later, on 04/14/08, Monday, TSL announced they cancelled the deal. But, share price started fly on Friday, 04/11/08, amid dow's 256 point crash, one business day before the announcement. Does anybody know a good litigation attorney who can protect us from this mean practice ? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: chach...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:30:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
Maybe you weren't around on Friday, but the jump was due to an analyst
revising their estimates. http://notablecalls.blogspot.com/2008/04/trina-solar-nysetsl-cowen-up... You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: var...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:02:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
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From: var...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
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From: Chris.Chudko...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:25:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
"DID TSL MANAGEMENT FOOL SHAREHOLDERS ON 03/10/2008? This deal with GT
Solar ($49M) caused dumping of shares by small investors. Just one month later, on 04/14/08, Monday, TSL announced they cancelled the deal. But, share price started fly on Friday, 04/11/08, amid dow's 256 point crash, one business day before the announcement. Does anybody know a good litigation attorney who can protect us from this mean practice ? " mean practice.... what kind of idiot are you?.. and anyone with
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From: wad...@live.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:35:02 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 14 2008 11:35 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
TSL is really going UP this time. I can not even imagine where the
stock would be if the market was not that bad. I remember Deutsche Bank putting a price target of 69$ for the stock before all the turmoil we are witnessing these months. TSL is ready for a big rise and i think it will hit 50 again by the end of the month. Just look at JASO which is highly correlated with TSL. After the stock split, it's now trading at around 22, which means 66 if we consider the stock before the split. TSL was never that far from JASO, so... You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Chris.Chudko...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:14:48 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 16 2008 11:14 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
must be goin up because of all the bad news lately.. especially them
cancelling those plans to build the plant because they have the audacity to think they wont need it.. (can anyone sense the sarcasm here?) anyways.. i love this stock.. it should be at 60 based on valuation.. or at least how i look at it.. so I will be holding it unti at least then.. unfortuantely i didnt have money in my account when it was at 30 .. hurt to miss that move.. i was literally waiting for money to hit for those few days... oh well.. a pick up at 35 and 37 aint bad You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: var...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 16 2008 11:26 am
Subject: Re: TSL not to build its poly plant!!!
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