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995.  retkenbob  
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From: retkenbob <kenbo...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:23:40 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
I totally agree.  All the research I have done points to a resolution
to the Tax issue.  Just wish it would be resolved soon.  Company looks
great...just need that push!
Good Luck

retkenbob

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  Re: What to think of this report?
994.  Matt  
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From: Matt <mull...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:35:32 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: What to think of this report?
Normally one of your best sources of information would be the
company's investor relations group. I would try them first. If you e-
mail or call them enough times, you'll probably get a response (even
though they're unlikely to tip their hand). Other than that, search
multiple sources. If I was really interested I'd try to search Chinese
and English language articles, press releases, and message boards. You
could make inquiries with the local tax authorities in China if you
wanted to go deep.

I expect that doing all these things will leave you where you are
today: in the dark. I wouldn't really liken the tax dispute to the
government and Gushan playing chicken. That relies on both sides
having something to fear. The government doesn't feel the constraints
of business. The government could easily bleed Gushan dry one thousand
times over before this dispute would have any noticeable impact on
them. Besides, I don't think the Chinese government is nearly as
responsive to its people's needs or petitions as ours is, although I
do agree that they have an interest in full employment. As a side
note, how many people does Gushan employ?

I guess my bottom line is I don't believe you'll be able to find any
more information than is already widely known without expending a life
consuming amount of time and resources doing some intelligence
gathering. I also don't think the government feels any particular
pressure to end this tax dispute. At this point, if I own GU I hold,
and if I don't own GU, I don't buy until the situation changes. I'm
half joking when I say this, but depending on the size of your
investment, it may be worth taking a trip to China to see if this
company's plants even exist. I think the company is organized in the
Cayman Islands. Either that or the major holder Tiger Global
Management is. According to cnn.money.com, Tiger holds 6.6M shares
(7.9%) and sold 0.99M since the latest update (06/30/09). But to be
fair, it looks like some other holders upped their holdings (0.2M -
0.3M) over the same period. I don't like that Gushan is not
responsible to its shareholders. It's based entirely in China and it's
shares trade in New York.

Nothing substitutes for your own research. I hope that helps.


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  Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
993.  muscle guys  
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From: muscle guys <ericmus...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:23:27 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
Good News , large cash per shares .  Current quarter should be much
better than last quarter since oil is up from its lows. There is a
tax
problem that is keeping the company down for now (whether biofuel
should be taxed like normal fuel), but I believe it will be resolved
in the favor of [Gushan]. Even if it is not in the favor of [Gushan],
valuation alone should give [Gushan] limited downside as it is
trading
around liquidation value .

The balance sheet is rock solid ... The company is waiting on a
ruling
as to whether the Chinese consumption tax applies to the product of
one of its plants. If I were a Chinese official, I certainly would
support alternative energy - considering commodities inflation is the
leading threat to China's longterm growth prospects. Accordingly, I
suspect that this company is in favor with the Chinese government.
Last, but not least, I suspect this company's fortunes will wax and
want with: (1) the Chinese market and (2) oil prices. I personally
expect China to hold up better than the US stock market and I expect
oil prices to remain fairly strong.

At this price i think gu is a good investisment .

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  Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
992.  muscle guys  
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From: muscle guys <ericmus...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:15 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
The reporting on this issue has been sparse, but here's a piece I dug
up in the original reports that may be of interest (I tracked this
down after allusions in other discussions to the fact that the
dispute
was taken directly to China's central government)...
"Gushan expressed its view to the State Administration of Taxation of
Fujian Province ("Fujian SAT") that its biodiesel, which is produced
from used cooking oil, vegetable oil offal and jatropha oil, should
not be subject to such consumption tax. Gushan was subsequently
informed that Fujian SAT and the Fujian Municipal Finance Bureau
jointly issued a written proposal to the PRC State Administration of
Taxation ("PRC SAT") requesting that biodiesel products without
petroleum-based diesel content be specifically excluded from paying
consumption tax. As of the date of this announcement, the PRC SAT has
not yet replied to this proposal."
I wasn't aware that even the local taxing authority was in favor of
the exemption.  That's hopeful news - I had been under the impression
that Gushan and the Fujian province government were squaring off over
this.
China's State Council, or Cabinet, said its plan to slow its rate of
carbon emissions would come through better research and development,
clean coal technology, advanced nuclear energy and better
transportation systems. Tax laws and regulations will also be changed
to encourage energy efficiency.

"There are two things China will have to do to achieve this. One is to
drastically improve energy efficiency, to use energy in a smart way.
Second is to massively develop renewable energies," said Yang Ailun,
climate campaign manager for Greenpeace China.

 
Tax resolution is coming soon!! I can smell it !!Lol!

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  Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
991.  bonjovi  
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From: bonjovi <bonjovi...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:43:28 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
Thanks chinaman, what do you think of the future of this stock in the
near term??

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  Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
990.  chinaman  
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From: chinaman <jos...@vip.sina.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:57:39 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
Unfortunately this situation will likely continue for some time.
I asked a friend working at the State Tax Administration about this
and was told it won't be resolved within two years.

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  Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
989.  bonjovi  
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From: bonjovi <bonjovi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:42:42 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
Does anybody know if any more meetings are scheduled to work out the
tax problems and does anyone have a time frame as to when any of this
could happen. I have a lot of money invested at $2.35 per share and
have taken quite a beaten and need so good advice from anyone with
knowledge on this subject. Thanks

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  Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
988.  muscle guys  
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From: muscle guys <ericmus...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:02:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel

According to the NBSC, there are signs that the stimulus measures are
already making a positive impact on the economy: the growth of energy
supply and consumption picked up in the first quarter of 2009, along
with a better-than-expected real GDP growth of 6.1% year-on-year,
reflecting a sharp sequential rebound in economic activity.
Although the global financial crisis will continue to impact the PRC
economy, the government is putting in place measures to help it
sustain positive growth in 2009.  China, having the third largest
economy in the world after the United States and Japan, is expected to
maintain solid and stable growth in the long-run.
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  Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
987.  muscle guys  
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:56:50 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Gushan Environmental is a Big leader in Biodiesel
Corporate Overview

We are a leading producer of biodiesel and related products in China.
We were founded in 2001 and listed on the NYSE in 2007.Our stock code
is "GU".
Currently, we have an aggregate annual production capacity of 290,000
tons of biodiesel. As a pioneer of the biodiesel manufacturing sector
in the country, we intend to promote biodiesel as one of the best
solutions for China’s energy needs by producing quality and
environmentally friendly biodiesel at competitive cost.

Due to the continuous expansion of the Chinese economy and
corresponding increasing demand for energy, we expect the Chinese
economy to source a greater proportion of its energy needs from
alternatives to petroleum-based diesel which are non-renewable. We
believe that biodiesel will capture an increasingly larger share of
China’s energy demand as environmental awareness increases in China
and more efficient energy sources are sought. Traditionally, petroleum-
based diesel has been the major source of energy supply. However, we
believe our products can capitalize on the rising demand for energy
and the increasing popularity of environmentally friendly energy.
Our products are biodiesel and chemical by-products of biodiesel
including glycerine and refined glycerine, plant asphalt, erucic acid,
erucic amide and stearic acid. Our biodiesel is primarily used by our
customers as an energy source and also in conjunction with
conventional petroleum-based diesel, while our by-products of
biodiesel have a wide range of applications. Our production facilities
are located in Beijing, Shanghai, Mianyang in Sichuan province, Handan
in Hebei province and Fuzhou in Fujian province, serving the northern,
eastern interior and southeastern regions of China respectively. We
target to increase our annual production capacity to 400,000 tons by
the end of 2008 with the expansion or addition of new production
facilities in Beijing,Shanghai, Hunan and Chongqing.
We intend to maintain our leading position in the biodiesel industry
in China and become a major producer of quality and cost effective
alternative energy products.


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  Re: What to think of this report?
986.  bonjovi  
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:19:57 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: What to think of this report?
Hi Matt,  is there anyway to find out how things are going with GU and
the Chinese tax problems in the future?? Plus do you think GU will not
complete a deal if they keep losing money? I have this feeling that
things will get worked out sooner then later but do not know how to
find out how things are progressing. I think GU and the Government are
playing chicken and trying to see who will blink first as I imagine
that if they shut down the plants then people are out of jobs so this
might make pressure on the government to get people back to work. What
do you think??

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  Re: What to think of this report?
985.  Matt  
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From: Matt <mull...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:53:36 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: What to think of this report?
A word of caution is needed at this point. Most people (on this board)
justify buying GU for its cash position and lack of debt. But cash has
fallen from $140M Q1 to $100M to $86M. At that burn rate, how much
longer can the company operate without accessing capital markets
(which will surely dilute existing shareholders)? A more important
measure than cash is working capital, which was reported at $60M this
quarter.

I agree that if you had a profitable company with GU's balance sheet,
this would be a steal. But aside from cash burn, you also have to
consider the consumption tax dispute. It seems like a deal breaker: at
every plant where it has been levied, the plant was taken off line. If
that tax is the difference between runability/profitability and
bankruptcy, you have to be very cautious buying here.

At this point, I'm treating GU like a penny stock. If the status quo
continues, the price drifts further lower, and who knows where support
is since its at its 52 wk low now. For me there are two reasons to buy
this stock, the consumption tax issue is resolved and/or the price of
oil returns to $100+. Without those conditions, I think you're in a
crap shoot. Not saying you won't be right this time, but I think
you'll make less mistakes (on similar issues) if you wait for the
data. If GU is truly a great company (with repeatable profitability
and growth) and its price will return to $15, you'll have plenty of
time to get in after the facts are out. On the other hand, you might
think you stole it at $1.50 before it goes to $0.75.

Just my thoughts. Take them for what they're worth...


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  Re: What to think of this report?
984.  nilesh  
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:06:05 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: What to think of this report?
Even I agree to that. I am Going to load if it falls further

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983.  Classic  
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:53:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: What to think of this report?
This stock used to be at 17$ just before the economical downturn.
There is no doubt that it is undervalued even though times are still
rough.  The only word to keep in mind with this stock is "patience".

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:44:01 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: What to think of this report?

According to me there is no doubt that when you look at the
fundamentals, this stock is really cheap..
(cash flow just little below than  the market capitalisation, no debt,
biodiesel price recovering...)

However, when you look at the report, the figures are still bad and
moreover there are worsen than what most people were expecting,
So, I would say, this stock could go down for a few days/weeks and
then should reach a bottom and then should recover over $ 2.00 (could
take several months).

I would say if your are long, buy more in the coming days/weeks and be
patient.

Good luck for all,


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  Re: What to think of this report?
981.  gimimore  
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:32:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: What to think of this report?
agreed. $86 million in cash no borrowing as of sept 30. 09 and a
positive outlook it shoud be back over $2.00 and beyond in no time and
way up there once the economy picks up. i own 10,000 shares at $1.50
and holding long long long

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