> "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> some faceless bureaucrat.

> When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> Judge Andrew Napolitano

> http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> some faceless bureaucrat.

> When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> Judge Andrew Napolitano

> http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Name a few.

> On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Name a few.

> On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> As simple as freedom to chose health insurance, doctor, medication.
> Not all f this might come in effect immediately, but the policy of
> incrementalism toward socialism will take us there. There will come a
> day when health care is "free", but all pills are generic :)
> Oh wait, we will be broke in just a few years. No health-care for
> anyone - at least it is fair that we all share the misery.

> On Nov 7, 11:12 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Name a few.

> > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Most prescription plans and insurance plans already have restrictions
> on what drugs, services are covered.  Preexisting conditions needs to
> be addressed as well as anti-trust laws.

> We're going to have reform, that's a given.  The Republican plan is a
> joke:

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-bhargava/the-gop-health-care-pla...

> On Nov 7, 10:27 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As simple as freedom to chose health insurance, doctor, medication.
> > Not all f this might come in effect immediately, but the policy of
> > incrementalism toward socialism will take us there. There will come a
> > day when health care is "free", but all pills are generic :)
> > Oh wait, we will be broke in just a few years. No health-care for
> > anyone - at least it is fair that we all share the misery.

> > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Name a few.

> > > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> That is as profound as anything I see on this board.

> None of these politicians has any agenda but enriching themselves and
> pursuing their jobs - LAWMAKERS.

> The original Constitution is a simplistic document laying out the
> foundations. It didn't allow for a Nation of 300 million people and
> spy drones. Our Constitution is long gone, a relic, as the USG has
> expanded it's powers under every Administration and ever power shift.

> Welcome to Y2K. You are not a free man, you are a number.

> Because I care more about civil liberties than I do about fiscal
> responsibility, I voted for Obama. I wish I had voted for Viking
> instead.

> I'm getting pretty annoyed with Obama and this health care
> monstrosity. All I wanted was a public option so everyone could buy
> insurance at a reasonable price if they couldn't get covered
> elsewhere. I didn't want 2000 freakin pages of bureaucracy. Our
> economy is getting pretty weird and they better start paying attention
> to that instead.

> IMHO,
> Jabber

> On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Most prescription plans and insurance plans already have restrictions
> on what drugs, services are covered.  Preexisting conditions needs to
> be addressed as well as anti-trust laws.

> We're going to have reform, that's a given.  The Republican plan is a
> joke:

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-bhargava/the-gop-health-care-pla...

> On Nov 7, 10:27 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As simple as freedom to chose health insurance, doctor, medication.
> > Not all f this might come in effect immediately, but the policy of
> > incrementalism toward socialism will take us there. There will come a
> > day when health care is "free", but all pills are generic :)
> > Oh wait, we will be broke in just a few years. No health-care for
> > anyone - at least it is fair that we all share the misery.

> > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Name a few.

> > > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> An Op-ed piece from Fox news being considered "profound" really is
> profound.

> On Nov 7, 10:22 am, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > That is as profound as anything I see on this board.

> > None of these politicians has any agenda but enriching themselves and
> > pursuing their jobs - LAWMAKERS.

> > The original Constitution is a simplistic document laying out the
> > foundations. It didn't allow for a Nation of 300 million people and
> > spy drones. Our Constitution is long gone, a relic, as the USG has
> > expanded it's powers under every Administration and ever power shift.

> > Welcome to Y2K. You are not a free man, you are a number.

> > Because I care more about civil liberties than I do about fiscal
> > responsibility, I voted for Obama. I wish I had voted for Viking
> > instead.

> > I'm getting pretty annoyed with Obama and this health care
> > monstrosity. All I wanted was a public option so everyone could buy
> > insurance at a reasonable price if they couldn't get covered
> > elsewhere. I didn't want 2000 freakin pages of bureaucracy. Our
> > economy is getting pretty weird and they better start paying attention
> > to that instead.

> > IMHO,
> > Jabber

> > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Brainwashed simpleton. People like you joined Hitler Youth in 30s.
> Am I going to far? No! Hitler Youth was never advertised as Holocaust
> machine; it was portrayed with roses and chocolate.
> It is your own responsibility to keep up the BS filters. You, credo,
> chose the comfort of large crowd instead.
> Or a republican had sex with you and a pendulum has swung the other
> way.
> One thing is clear: it is emotion over reason in your case.
> You had 1000s of chances to listen to the reasonable posters, whether
> from left or from right.
> You did not. Too bad. You will taste the shitty future.

> On Nov 7, 12:05 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > An Op-ed piece from Fox news being considered "profound" really is
> > profound.

> > On Nov 7, 10:22 am, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > > That is as profound as anything I see on this board.

> > > None of these politicians has any agenda but enriching themselves and
> > > pursuing their jobs - LAWMAKERS.

> > > The original Constitution is a simplistic document laying out the
> > > foundations. It didn't allow for a Nation of 300 million people and
> > > spy drones. Our Constitution is long gone, a relic, as the USG has
> > > expanded it's powers under every Administration and ever power shift.

> > > Welcome to Y2K. You are not a free man, you are a number.

> > > Because I care more about civil liberties than I do about fiscal
> > > responsibility, I voted for Obama. I wish I had voted for Viking
> > > instead.

> > > I'm getting pretty annoyed with Obama and this health care
> > > monstrosity. All I wanted was a public option so everyone could buy
> > > insurance at a reasonable price if they couldn't get covered
> > > elsewhere. I didn't want 2000 freakin pages of bureaucracy. Our
> > > economy is getting pretty weird and they better start paying attention
> > > to that instead.

> > > IMHO,
> > > Jabber

> > > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> some faceless bureaucrat.

> When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> Judge Andrew Napolitano

> http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Shut up, Leo, the adults are talking.  No one pays cash for medical
> services in the U.S. except one American every thirty seconds who goes
> bankrupt from medical costs.

> On Nov 7, 11:14 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Brainwashed simpleton. People like you joined Hitler Youth in 30s.
> > Am I going to far? No! Hitler Youth was never advertised as Holocaust
> > machine; it was portrayed with roses and chocolate.
> > It is your own responsibility to keep up the BS filters. You, credo,
> > chose the comfort of large crowd instead.
> > Or a republican had sex with you and a pendulum has swung the other
> > way.
> > One thing is clear: it is emotion over reason in your case.
> > You had 1000s of chances to listen to the reasonable posters, whether
> > from left or from right.
> > You did not. Too bad. You will taste the shitty future.

> > On Nov 7, 12:05 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > An Op-ed piece from Fox news being considered "profound" really is
> > > profound.

> > > On Nov 7, 10:22 am, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > > > That is as profound as anything I see on this board.

> > > > None of these politicians has any agenda but enriching themselves and
> > > > pursuing their jobs - LAWMAKERS.

> > > > The original Constitution is a simplistic document laying out the
> > > > foundations. It didn't allow for a Nation of 300 million people and
> > > > spy drones. Our Constitution is long gone, a relic, as the USG has
> > > > expanded it's powers under every Administration and ever power shift.

> > > > Welcome to Y2K. You are not a free man, you are a number.

> > > > Because I care more about civil liberties than I do about fiscal
> > > > responsibility, I voted for Obama. I wish I had voted for Viking
> > > > instead.

> > > > I'm getting pretty annoyed with Obama and this health care
> > > > monstrosity. All I wanted was a public option so everyone could buy
> > > > insurance at a reasonable price if they couldn't get covered
> > > > elsewhere. I didn't want 2000 freakin pages of bureaucracy. Our
> > > > economy is getting pretty weird and they better start paying attention
> > > > to that instead.

> > > > IMHO,
> > > > Jabber

> > > > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Using Huffington as a source is the same but opposite of using Fox as
> a source.

> All we need is that Public Option plan. That covers the uninsurable
> and yeah, it will cost money but NOTHING like to monstrosity that
> approaches. The Reps want to give too little, the Dems too much.

> Also, the Reps tort reform IS a good idea. Fvckin lawyers.

> On Nov 7, 8:58 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Most prescription plans and insurance plans already have restrictions
> > on what drugs, services are covered.  Preexisting conditions needs to
> > be addressed as well as anti-trust laws.

> > We're going to have reform, that's a given.  The Republican plan is a
> > joke:

> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-bhargava/the-gop-health-care-pla...

> > On Nov 7, 10:27 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > As simple as freedom to chose health insurance, doctor, medication.
> > > Not all f this might come in effect immediately, but the policy of
> > > incrementalism toward socialism will take us there. There will come a
> > > day when health care is "free", but all pills are generic :)
> > > Oh wait, we will be broke in just a few years. No health-care for
> > > anyone - at least it is fair that we all share the misery.

> > > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > Name a few.

> > > > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea... Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> "Campaign for Liberty believes America's health care system is in
> desperate need of reform, but current proposals only cement the status
> quo by mandating further government interference and requiring
> Americans to either carry a government-approved plan or surrender more
> of their hard-earned money to the IRS.

> There is a real alternative to yielding more power over our lives to
> Washington: implementing a plan centered on freedom, choice, and faith
> in the American taxpayers that they know how to spend their money
> better than some unelected bureaucrat."

> See details of plan here:

> http://www.operationhealthfreedom.com/

> On Nov 7, 12:04 pm, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > Using Huffington as a source is the same but opposite of using Fox as
> > a source.

> > All we need is that Public Option plan. That covers the uninsurable
> > and yeah, it will cost money but NOTHING like to monstrosity that
> > approaches. The Reps want to give too little, the Dems too much.

> > Also, the Reps tort reform IS a good idea. Fvckin lawyers.

> > On Nov 7, 8:58 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Most prescription plans and insurance plans already have restrictions
> > > on what drugs, services are covered.  Preexisting conditions needs to
> > > be addressed as well as anti-trust laws.

> > > We're going to have reform, that's a given.  The Republican plan is a
> > > joke:

> > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-bhargava/the-gop-health-care-pla...

> > > On Nov 7, 10:27 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > As simple as freedom to chose health insurance, doctor, medication.
> > > > Not all f this might come in effect immediately, but the policy of
> > > > incrementalism toward socialism will take us there. There will come a
> > > > day when health care is "free", but all pills are generic :)
> > > > Oh wait, we will be broke in just a few years. No health-care for
> > > > anyone - at least it is fair that we all share the misery.

> > > > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > Name a few.

> > > > > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea... quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> So how does Paul address the 30 million without healthcare?  Let me
> guess, he doesn't.

> On Nov 7, 12:13 pm, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "Campaign for Liberty believes America's health care system is in
> > desperate need of reform, but current proposals only cement the status
> > quo by mandating further government interference and requiring
> > Americans to either carry a government-approved plan or surrender more
> > of their hard-earned money to the IRS.

> > There is a real alternative to yielding more power over our lives to
> > Washington: implementing a plan centered on freedom, choice, and faith
> > in the American taxpayers that they know how to spend their money
> > better than some unelected bureaucrat."

> > See details of plan here:

> >http://www.operationhealthfreedom.com/

> > On Nov 7, 12:04 pm, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > > Using Huffington as a source is the same but opposite of using Fox as
> > > a source.

> > > All we need is that Public Option plan. That covers the uninsurable
> > > and yeah, it will cost money but NOTHING like to monstrosity that
> > > approaches. The Reps want to give too little, the Dems too much.

> > > Also, the Reps tort reform IS a good idea. Fvckin lawyers.

> > > On Nov 7, 8:58 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > Most prescription plans and insurance plans already have restrictions
> > > > on what drugs, services are covered.  Preexisting conditions needs to
> > > > be addressed as well as anti-trust laws.

> > > > We're going to have reform, that's a given.  The Republican plan is a
> > > > joke:

> > > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-bhargava/the-gop-health-care-pla...

> > > > On Nov 7, 10:27 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > As simple as freedom to chose health insurance, doctor, medication.
> > > > > Not all f this might come in effect immediately, but the policy of
> > > > > incrementalism toward socialism will take us there. There will come a
> > > > > day when health care is "free", but all pills are generic :)
> > > > > Oh wait, we will be broke in just a few years. No health-care for
> > > > > anyone - at least it is fair that we all share the misery.

> > > > > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Name a few.

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea... text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> So how does Paul address the 30 million without healthcare?  Let me
> guess, he doesn't.

> On Nov 7, 12:13 pm, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "Campaign for Liberty believes America's health care system is in
> > desperate need of reform, but current proposals only cement the status
> > quo by mandating further government interference and requiring
> > Americans to either carry a government-approved plan or surrender more
> > of their hard-earned money to the IRS.

> > There is a real alternative to yielding more power over our lives to
> > Washington: implementing a plan centered on freedom, choice, and faith
> > in the American taxpayers that they know how to spend their money
> > better than some unelected bureaucrat."

> > See details of plan here:

> >http://www.operationhealthfreedom.com/

> > On Nov 7, 12:04 pm, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > > Using Huffington as a source is the same but opposite of using Fox as
> > > a source.

> > > All we need is that Public Option plan. That covers the uninsurable
> > > and yeah, it will cost money but NOTHING like to monstrosity that
> > > approaches. The Reps want to give too little, the Dems too much.

> > > Also, the Reps tort reform IS a good idea. Fvckin lawyers.

> > > On Nov 7, 8:58 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > Most prescription plans and insurance plans already have restrictions
> > > > on what drugs, services are covered.  Preexisting conditions needs to
> > > > be addressed as well as anti-trust laws.

> > > > We're going to have reform, that's a given.  The Republican plan is a
> > > > joke:

> > > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-bhargava/the-gop-health-care-pla...

> > > > On Nov 7, 10:27 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > As simple as freedom to chose health insurance, doctor, medication.
> > > > > Not all f this might come in effect immediately, but the policy of
> > > > > incrementalism toward socialism will take us there. There will come a
> > > > > day when health care is "free", but all pills are generic :)
> > > > > Oh wait, we will be broke in just a few years. No health-care for
> > > > > anyone - at least it is fair that we all share the misery.

> > > > > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Name a few.

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea... text -

> > > - Show quoted text -

Viking wrote:
> When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> some faceless bureaucrat.

> When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> Judge Andrew Napolitano

> http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Will Obama cover 100%? How about the 6 month waiting period to get
> covered? How is this not rationing?
> Let me guess - nope, he won't! The cost of perfecting grows
> exponentially.
> Healthcare is an expensive item even assuming that intelligent reforms
> are passed.
> The 10M uninsured can depend on private charities. Yup, private
> charities!
> Easily 5M people do not want any health insurance - they'd rather pay
> cash for everything because they can.
> Ron Paul plans to eliminate personal income tax altogether gradually -
> leaves lots of money for charitable donations.
> Is he a dreamer? No! He will cut the size of govt to 10% of its
> current size and he will pull out military from abroad.
> Money matters. Money makes the world go round. Smooth talk is cheap.

> HEALTHCARE AIN'T A RIGHT!

> The richest person 50 years ago could not dream of things that an
> illegal alien can get today free.
> Both market and the govt can only provide what is available, but the
> markets have the ability to innovate.

> On Nov 7, 1:39 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > So how does Paul address the 30 million without healthcare?  Let me
> > guess, he doesn't.

> > On Nov 7, 12:13 pm, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > "Campaign for Liberty believes America's health care system is in
> > > desperate need of reform, but current proposals only cement the status
> > > quo by mandating further government interference and requiring
> > > Americans to either carry a government-approved plan or surrender more
> > > of their hard-earned money to the IRS.

> > > There is a real alternative to yielding more power over our lives to
> > > Washington: implementing a plan centered on freedom, choice, and faith
> > > in the American taxpayers that they know how to spend their money
> > > better than some unelected bureaucrat."

> > > See details of plan here:

> > >http://www.operationhealthfreedom.com/

> > > On Nov 7, 12:04 pm, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > > > Using Huffington as a source is the same but opposite of using Fox as
> > > > a source.

> > > > All we need is that Public Option plan. That covers the uninsurable
> > > > and yeah, it will cost money but NOTHING like to monstrosity that
> > > > approaches. The Reps want to give too little, the Dems too much.

> > > > Also, the Reps tort reform IS a good idea. Fvckin lawyers.

> > > > On Nov 7, 8:58 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > Most prescription plans and insurance plans already have restrictions
> > > > > on what drugs, services are covered.  Preexisting conditions needs to
> > > > > be addressed as well as anti-trust laws.

> > > > > We're going to have reform, that's a given.  The Republican plan is a
> > > > > joke:

> > > > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-bhargava/the-gop-health-care-pla...

> > > > > On Nov 7, 10:27 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > As simple as freedom to chose health insurance, doctor, medication.
> > > > > > Not all f this might come in effect immediately, but the policy of
> > > > > > incrementalism toward socialism will take us there. There will come a
> > > > > > day when health care is "free", but all pills are generic :)
> > > > > > Oh wait, we will be broke in just a few years. No health-care for
> > > > > > anyone - at least it is fair that we all share the misery.

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 11:12 am, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Name a few.

> > > > > > > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > > > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea... -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Viking wrote:
> > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> Viking, you do know the job of Congress is to pass laws, don't you?
> It's the court's job to decide if they are constitutional. It's called
> checks and balances. Obviously Congress doesn't ignore the
> Constitution; they know it is a waste of time if their laws get struck
> down.

> To say that a Congressman claims that they have unlimited power, and
> therefore they don't care about your rights or liberties is a little
> out there, don't ya know? Outside of the Constitution, yes they do
> have considerable power to achieve whatever ends they want. But
> practically speaking, do you think they all act in unison to strip our
> rights whenever they can? That would be like trying to herd cats. The
> only way to get cats in line is to bribe them. I think the biggest
> threat to our liberties is the lobbyists.

> Whether they all read every word of every law that they pass is a
> little stickier. It would be nice, but what do you propose? A pop
> quiz? Do you read every word of the tax code before paying taxes? It's
> only 16,845 pages long. BTW, the tax code is nine times longer than
> the Bible. The only way to make it shorter than the Bible is to let
> Congress revise the Bible.

> On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea... Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> You consider yourself an adult?

> I paid cash for my eye exam. I had a choice: 15 minute exam + $15
> copay using insurance, or 45 minutes + $75 cash.
> I chose to pay cash, and it was one of the best decisions ever. If you
> youtube ron paul on healthcare, you will understand (hopefully).

> On Nov 7, 12:38 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Shut up, Leo, the adults are talking.  No one pays cash for medical
> > services in the U.S. except one American every thirty seconds who goes
> > bankrupt from medical costs.

> > On Nov 7, 11:14 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Brainwashed simpleton. People like you joined Hitler Youth in 30s.
> > > Am I going to far? No! Hitler Youth was never advertised as Holocaust
> > > machine; it was portrayed with roses and chocolate.
> > > It is your own responsibility to keep up the BS filters. You, credo,
> > > chose the comfort of large crowd instead.
> > > Or a republican had sex with you and a pendulum has swung the other
> > > way.
> > > One thing is clear: it is emotion over reason in your case.
> > > You had 1000s of chances to listen to the reasonable posters, whether
> > > from left or from right.
> > > You did not. Too bad. You will taste the shitty future.

> > > On Nov 7, 12:05 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > An Op-ed piece from Fox news being considered "profound" really is
> > > > profound.

> > > > On Nov 7, 10:22 am, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > > > > That is as profound as anything I see on this board.

> > > > > None of these politicians has any agenda but enriching themselves and
> > > > > pursuing their jobs - LAWMAKERS.

> > > > > The original Constitution is a simplistic document laying out the
> > > > > foundations. It didn't allow for a Nation of 300 million people and
> > > > > spy drones. Our Constitution is long gone, a relic, as the USG has
> > > > > expanded it's powers under every Administration and ever power shift.

> > > > > Welcome to Y2K. You are not a free man, you are a number.

> > > > > Because I care more about civil liberties than I do about fiscal
> > > > > responsibility, I voted for Obama. I wish I had voted for Viking
> > > > > instead.

> > > > > I'm getting pretty annoyed with Obama and this health care
> > > > > monstrosity. All I wanted was a public option so everyone could buy
> > > > > insurance at a reasonable price if they couldn't get covered
> > > > > elsewhere. I didn't want 2000 freakin pages of bureaucracy. Our
> > > > > economy is getting pretty weird and they better start paying attention
> > > > > to that instead.

> > > > > IMHO,
> > > > > Jabber

> > > > > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

> > > > > >http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/06/judge-andrew-napolitano-hea...

> Leo,
> You say you don't want insurance and would rather pay out of pocket,
> but you have insurance.  Then you choose to pay $75 for an eye exam
> that would have cost you a $15 co-payment.  And you call Credo a
> sucker???

> On Nov 7, 12:52 pm, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > You consider yourself an adult?

> > I paid cash for my eye exam. I had a choice: 15 minute exam + $15
> > copay using insurance, or 45 minutes + $75 cash.
> > I chose to pay cash, and it was one of the best decisions ever. If you
> > youtube ron paul on healthcare, you will understand (hopefully).

> > On Nov 7, 12:38 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Shut up, Leo, the adults are talking.  No one pays cash for medical
> > > services in the U.S. except one American every thirty seconds who goes
> > > bankrupt from medical costs.

> > > On Nov 7, 11:14 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Brainwashed simpleton. People like you joined Hitler Youth in 30s.
> > > > Am I going to far? No! Hitler Youth was never advertised as Holocaust
> > > > machine; it was portrayed with roses and chocolate.
> > > > It is your own responsibility to keep up the BS filters. You, credo,
> > > > chose the comfort of large crowd instead.
> > > > Or a republican had sex with you and a pendulum has swung the other
> > > > way.
> > > > One thing is clear: it is emotion over reason in your case.
> > > > You had 1000s of chances to listen to the reasonable posters, whether
> > > > from left or from right.
> > > > You did not. Too bad. You will taste the shitty future.

> > > > On Nov 7, 12:05 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > An Op-ed piece from Fox news being considered "profound" really is
> > > > > profound.

> > > > > On Nov 7, 10:22 am, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > > > > > That is as profound as anything I see on this board.

> > > > > > None of these politicians has any agenda but enriching themselves and
> > > > > > pursuing their jobs - LAWMAKERS.

> > > > > > The original Constitution is a simplistic document laying out the
> > > > > > foundations. It didn't allow for a Nation of 300 million people and
> > > > > > spy drones. Our Constitution is long gone, a relic, as the USG has
> > > > > > expanded it's powers under every Administration and ever power shift.

> > > > > > Welcome to Y2K. You are not a free man, you are a number.

> > > > > > Because I care more about civil liberties than I do about fiscal
> > > > > > responsibility, I voted for Obama. I wish I had voted for Viking
> > > > > > instead.

> > > > > > I'm getting pretty annoyed with Obama and this health care
> > > > > > monstrosity. All I wanted was a public option so everyone could buy
> > > > > > insurance at a reasonable price if they couldn't get covered
> > > > > > elsewhere. I didn't want 2000 freakin pages of bureaucracy. Our
> > > > > > economy is getting pretty weird and they better start paying attention
> > > > > > to that instead.

> > > > > > IMHO,
> > > > > > Jabber

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

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> "the tax code is nine times longer than the Bible. The only way to
> make it shorter than the Bible is to let
> Congress revise the Bible."

> Now that's funny!  I didn't think you lefties had a sense of humor.

> I am with you on the lobbyists brother.  But I think the path to
> achieve that is a pre and post term audit of each member of Congress.
> These guys start out with nothing and after years of public service
> are richer than you'd have a right to expect.  The scam to pass money
> via a book deal has to stop also.  As a Repub, I can tell you that I
> give kudos to Uncle Joe Biden on this point.  Unless he has it well
> hidden, he appears to have not been bought.

> On Nov 7, 11:09 am, mo gur <gseymou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Viking wrote:
> > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > Viking, you do know the job of Congress is to pass laws, don't you?
> > It's the court's job to decide if they are constitutional. It's called
> > checks and balances. Obviously Congress doesn't ignore the
> > Constitution; they know it is a waste of time if their laws get struck
> > down.

> > To say that a Congressman claims that they have unlimited power, and
> > therefore they don't care about your rights or liberties is a little
> > out there, don't ya know? Outside of the Constitution, yes they do
> > have considerable power to achieve whatever ends they want. But
> > practically speaking, do you think they all act in unison to strip our
> > rights whenever they can? That would be like trying to herd cats. The
> > only way to get cats in line is to bribe them. I think the biggest
> > threat to our liberties is the lobbyists.

> > Whether they all read every word of every law that they pass is a
> > little stickier. It would be nice, but what do you propose? A pop
> > quiz? Do you read every word of the tax code before paying taxes? It's
> > only 16,845 pages long. BTW, the tax code is nine times longer than
> > the Bible. The only way to make it shorter than the Bible is to let
> > Congress revise the Bible.

> > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

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> Don't forget it was probably done correctly.  It was quick.  He
> probably didn't have to wait two months for an appt.  And it doesn't
> include the foregone cost of his premiums.

> On Nov 7, 11:19 am, fahrquad <fahrq...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Leo,
> > You say you don't want insurance and would rather pay out of pocket,
> > but you have insurance.  Then you choose to pay $75 for an eye exam
> > that would have cost you a $15 co-payment.  And you call Credo a
> > sucker???

> > On Nov 7, 12:52 pm, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > You consider yourself an adult?

> > > I paid cash for my eye exam. I had a choice: 15 minute exam + $15
> > > copay using insurance, or 45 minutes + $75 cash.
> > > I chose to pay cash, and it was one of the best decisions ever. If you
> > > youtube ron paul on healthcare, you will understand (hopefully).

> > > On Nov 7, 12:38 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > Shut up, Leo, the adults are talking.  No one pays cash for medical
> > > > services in the U.S. except one American every thirty seconds who goes
> > > > bankrupt from medical costs.

> > > > On Nov 7, 11:14 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Brainwashed simpleton. People like you joined Hitler Youth in 30s.
> > > > > Am I going to far? No! Hitler Youth was never advertised as Holocaust
> > > > > machine; it was portrayed with roses and chocolate.
> > > > > It is your own responsibility to keep up the BS filters. You, credo,
> > > > > chose the comfort of large crowd instead.
> > > > > Or a republican had sex with you and a pendulum has swung the other
> > > > > way.
> > > > > One thing is clear: it is emotion over reason in your case.
> > > > > You had 1000s of chances to listen to the reasonable posters, whether
> > > > > from left or from right.
> > > > > You did not. Too bad. You will taste the shitty future.

> > > > > On Nov 7, 12:05 pm, Credo <credo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > An Op-ed piece from Fox news being considered "profound" really is
> > > > > > profound.

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 10:22 am, jabberwocky <jabberwo...@gmx.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > That is as profound as anything I see on this board.

> > > > > > > None of these politicians has any agenda but enriching themselves and
> > > > > > > pursuing their jobs - LAWMAKERS.

> > > > > > > The original Constitution is a simplistic document laying out the
> > > > > > > foundations. It didn't allow for a Nation of 300 million people and
> > > > > > > spy drones. Our Constitution is long gone, a relic, as the USG has
> > > > > > > expanded it's powers under every Administration and ever power shift.

> > > > > > > Welcome to Y2K. You are not a free man, you are a number.

> > > > > > > Because I care more about civil liberties than I do about fiscal
> > > > > > > responsibility, I voted for Obama. I wish I had voted for Viking
> > > > > > > instead.

> > > > > > > I'm getting pretty annoyed with Obama and this health care
> > > > > > > monstrosity. All I wanted was a public option so everyone could buy
> > > > > > > insurance at a reasonable price if they couldn't get covered
> > > > > > > elsewhere. I didn't want 2000 freakin pages of bureaucracy. Our
> > > > > > > economy is getting pretty weird and they better start paying attention
> > > > > > > to that instead.

> > > > > > > IMHO,
> > > > > > > Jabber

> > > > > > > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > > > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > > > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > > > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > > > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > > > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > > > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > > > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > > > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > > > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > > > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > > > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > > > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > > > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > > > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > > > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > > > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > > > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > > > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

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> That is a damn fine idea, sweat. You probably won't go this far with
> me, but I think election campaigning should be limited to six months,
> all contributions severely limited in size, and campaigns publicy
> financed. Oh, oh, you probably bailed on the government involvement,
> there, but I would take any reform.

> On Nov 7, 11:17 am, Sweatsock <jimmeshel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "the tax code is nine times longer than the Bible. The only way to
> > make it shorter than the Bible is to let
> > Congress revise the Bible."

> > Now that's funny!  I didn't think you lefties had a sense of humor.

> > I am with you on the lobbyists brother.  But I think the path to
> > achieve that is a pre and post term audit of each member of Congress.
> > These guys start out with nothing and after years of public service
> > are richer than you'd have a right to expect.  The scam to pass money
> > via a book deal has to stop also.  As a Repub, I can tell you that I
> > give kudos to Uncle Joe Biden on this point.  Unless he has it well
> > hidden, he appears to have not been bought.

> > On Nov 7, 11:09 am, mo gur <gseymou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Viking wrote:
> > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > Viking, you do know the job of Congress is to pass laws, don't you?
> > > It's the court's job to decide if they are constitutional. It's called
> > > checks and balances. Obviously Congress doesn't ignore the
> > > Constitution; they know it is a waste of time if their laws get struck
> > > down.

> > > To say that a Congressman claims that they have unlimited power, and
> > > therefore they don't care about your rights or liberties is a little
> > > out there, don't ya know? Outside of the Constitution, yes they do
> > > have considerable power to achieve whatever ends they want. But
> > > practically speaking, do you think they all act in unison to strip our
> > > rights whenever they can? That would be like trying to herd cats. The
> > > only way to get cats in line is to bribe them. I think the biggest
> > > threat to our liberties is the lobbyists.

> > > Whether they all read every word of every law that they pass is a
> > > little stickier. It would be nice, but what do you propose? A pop
> > > quiz? Do you read every word of the tax code before paying taxes? It's
> > > only 16,845 pages long. BTW, the tax code is nine times longer than
> > > the Bible. The only way to make it shorter than the Bible is to let
> > > Congress revise the Bible.

> > > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > "We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We
> > > > have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing
> > > > likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic
> > > > wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial
> > > > liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your
> > > > freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom.
> > > > Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and
> > > > your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of
> > > > some faceless bureaucrat.

> > > > When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking
> > > > Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the
> > > > federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--,
> > > > he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the
> > > > Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress
> > > > recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the
> > > > Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it
> > > > doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it
> > > > doesn't even read the laws it writes."

> > > > Judge Andrew Napolitano

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