> As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> economy as well as bad.

> We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> coming next spring.

> The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.

> As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> economy as well as bad.

> We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> coming next spring.

> The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.

> 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> aside for now).

> On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > economy as well as bad.

> > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > coming next spring.

> > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.

> As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> economy as well as bad.

> We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> coming next spring.

> The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.

> I'm keeping my bear cap on for another week to see what happens.

> Gold has been really strong while the dollar has shown decent
> strength. This may be more of a safety play instead of inflation
> play.

> Insider trading and CIT bankruptcy are in the headlines.This is pretty
> similar to Lehman and Madoff of last year on a smaller scale.

> On Nov 7, 7:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > economy as well as bad.

> > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > coming next spring.

> > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Something has to give here soon. Either the markets (and commodities
> including gold) continue their march upward, and the dollar continues
> its downward trend to the 72 level, or the markets peak and then tank,
> with the dollar rallying.  What will they do.

> I don't like calling tops/bottoms, but I'm gonna say the DJIA peaks at
> 10,307 and then retests the March lows.  So, that means it will go to
> 14K by January for sure. ;)

> On Nov 7, 9:37 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I'm keeping my bear cap on for another week to see what happens.

> > Gold has been really strong while the dollar has shown decent
> > strength. This may be more of a safety play instead of inflation
> > play.

> > Insider trading and CIT bankruptcy are in the headlines.This is pretty
> > similar to Lehman and Madoff of last year on a smaller scale.

> > On Nov 7, 7:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > economy as well as bad.

> > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > coming next spring.

> > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > aside for now).

> > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > economy as well as bad.

> > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > coming next spring.

> > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > aside for now).

> > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > coming next spring.

> > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Thats the thing that has upset me the most. How could the best and the
> brightest of wall street and government be so wrong and let things get
> so out of control. I figure that if I can look at it in hindsight and
> see what went wrong, well then, the guys that run the show should have
> the ability to forecast just a little bit.

> On Nov 7, 9:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > aside for now).

> > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> People like Peter Schiff saw what was coming from a mile away, and
> told anyone who would listen.

> It is a controlled, intentional situation. The "best and brightest"
> know exactly what they are doing. Remember, it's one big club, and we
> ain't in it.

> On Nov 7, 10:22 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Thats the thing that has upset me the most. How could the best and the
> > brightest of wall street and government be so wrong and let things get
> > so out of control. I figure that if I can look at it in hindsight and
> > see what went wrong, well then, the guys that run the show should have
> > the ability to forecast just a little bit.

> > On Nov 7, 9:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > aside for now).

> > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > coming next spring.

> > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Thats the thing that has upset me the most. How could the best and the
> brightest of wall street and government be so wrong and let things get
> so out of control. I figure that if I can look at it in hindsight and
> see what went wrong, well then, the guys that run the show should have
> the ability to forecast just a little bit.

> On Nov 7, 9:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > aside for now).

> > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -

> On that note(put your tin foil hat on), I was thinking of some
> hyperbole on the legal implications of credit default swaps and what
> would happen if things collapsed.

> I came to the conclusion that Goldman Sachs and friends would be
> legally entitled to the majority of assets in the world if not
> everything.

> Maybe this is their plan?

> On Nov 7, 9:26 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > People like Peter Schiff saw what was coming from a mile away, and
> > told anyone who would listen.

> > It is a controlled, intentional situation. The "best and brightest"
> > know exactly what they are doing. Remember, it's one big club, and we
> > ain't in it.

> > On Nov 7, 10:22 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Thats the thing that has upset me the most. How could the best and the
> > > brightest of wall street and government be so wrong and let things get
> > > so out of control. I figure that if I can look at it in hindsight and
> > > see what went wrong, well then, the guys that run the show should have
> > > the ability to forecast just a little bit.

> > > On Nov 7, 9:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> fooledbyrndomness.com

> On Nov 7, 10:22 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Thats the thing that has upset me the most. How could the best and the
> > brightest of wall street and government be so wrong and let things get
> > so out of control. I figure that if I can look at it in hindsight and
> > see what went wrong, well then, the guys that run the show should have
> > the ability to forecast just a little bit.

> > On Nov 7, 9:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -

> Where does Krugman fail?

> On Nov 7, 10:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > aside for now).

> > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> Paul Krugman fails by subscribing to and promoting the flawed economic
> theory that is Keynesianism.  Don't get me wrong...he is a really good
> Keynesian. He is a Nobel Prize-winning Keynesian.  But as far as a
> sustainable economic system for a free and productive society, Keynes
> = Fail.  History will show this.

> On Nov 7, 10:34 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Where does Krugman fail?

> > On Nov 7, 10:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

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> > - Show quoted text -

> Paul Krugman fails by subscribing to and promoting the flawed economic
> theory that is Keynesianism.  Don't get me wrong...he is a really good
> Keynesian. He is a Nobel Prize-winning Keynesian.  But as far as a
> sustainable economic system for a free and productive society, Keynes
> = Fail.  History will show this.

> On Nov 7, 10:34 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Where does Krugman fail?

> > On Nov 7, 10:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Talk to you guys later...

> On Nov 7, 9:43 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Paul Krugman fails by subscribing to and promoting the flawed economic
> > theory that is Keynesianism.  Don't get me wrong...he is a really good
> > Keynesian. He is a Nobel Prize-winning Keynesian.  But as far as a
> > sustainable economic system for a free and productive society, Keynes
> > = Fail.  History will show this.

> > On Nov 7, 10:34 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Where does Krugman fail?

> > > On Nov 7, 10:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -

> "Keynesian economics failed" - such a buzz phrase these days.
> Give me examples of Krugman failing through subscription to K.

> On Nov 7, 10:43 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Paul Krugman fails by subscribing to and promoting the flawed economic
> > theory that is Keynesianism.  Don't get me wrong...he is a really good
> > Keynesian. He is a Nobel Prize-winning Keynesian.  But as far as a
> > sustainable economic system for a free and productive society, Keynes
> > = Fail.  History will show this.

> > On Nov 7, 10:34 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Where does Krugman fail?

> > > On Nov 7, 10:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> aside for now).

> On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > economy as well as bad.

> > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > coming next spring.

> > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> There is much to understand about the principles and failures of
> Keynesian economic theory.

> You can find the answers you seek in many places. I suggest starting
> here (you knew this was coming):

> www.mises.org

> On Nov 7, 10:56 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "Keynesian economics failed" - such a buzz phrase these days.
> > Give me examples of Krugman failing through subscription to K.

> > On Nov 7, 10:43 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Paul Krugman fails by subscribing to and promoting the flawed economic
> > > theory that is Keynesianism.  Don't get me wrong...he is a really good
> > > Keynesian. He is a Nobel Prize-winning Keynesian.  But as far as a
> > > sustainable economic system for a free and productive society, Keynes
> > > = Fail.  History will show this.

> > > On Nov 7, 10:34 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Where does Krugman fail?

> > > > On Nov 7, 10:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Circular reference alert!

> I was hoping that you can tell me in your own words.

> On Nov 7, 11:03 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > There is much to understand about the principles and failures of
> > Keynesian economic theory.

> > You can find the answers you seek in many places. I suggest starting
> > here (you knew this was coming):

> >www.mises.org

> > On Nov 7, 10:56 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > "Keynesian economics failed" - such a buzz phrase these days.
> > > Give me examples of Krugman failing through subscription to K.

> > > On Nov 7, 10:43 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Paul Krugman fails by subscribing to and promoting the flawed economic
> > > > theory that is Keynesianism.  Don't get me wrong...he is a really good
> > > > Keynesian. He is a Nobel Prize-winning Keynesian.  But as far as a
> > > > sustainable economic system for a free and productive society, Keynes
> > > > = Fail.  History will show this.

> > > > On Nov 7, 10:34 am, Leo <paru...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > Where does Krugman fail?

> > > > > On Nov 7, 10:09 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Why do people continue to listen to these amateurs?  Obama, Summers,
> > > > > > Bernanke, Krugman....these are supposed to be the smartest of the
> > > > > > smart. They went to the best Ivy League schools. Bernanke (almost)
> > > > > > aced the SAT (1590).  I am willing to say that they are not
> > > > > > fundamentally stupid people. The economic theory they are
> > > > > > indoctrinated with and committed to is simply wrong.  So...are they
> > > > > > just following flawed theory to the end, or is this all intentional?

> > > > > > On Nov 7, 9:41 am, george <xgfreem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Yeah they were just a little off : )http://www.zerohedge.com/article/rise-critical-jobs-neither-saved-nor...

> > > > > > > On Nov 7, 8:36 am, Viking <grizzlybea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > 10-11 months ago, Obama, Bernanke, Pelosi, Krugman and the rest of the
> > > > > > > > Keynesians were predicting the "stimulus" package would keep
> > > > > > > > unemployment from going above 8%.  Which of course it did not, as here
> > > > > > > > we are at an official 10.2% (actual is 17%+, but we'll leave that
> > > > > > > > aside for now).

> > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 8:08 am, David <cessna1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > As with any of these milestones such as 9K,10K the DOW will hit them
> > > > > > > > > and retreat,hit them again and retreat. It will do that in a good
> > > > > > > > > economy as well as bad.

> > > > > > > > > We've bobbled around for a couple of weeks and the DOW will soon start
> > > > > > > > > on it's way to 10,500 which could easily be hit by years end with 11K
> > > > > > > > > coming next spring.

> > > > > > > > > The reason it didn't tank over 10.2% unemployment is because 10%
> > > > > > > > > unemployment has been predicted to happen for the last 10-11 months.
> > > > > > > > > The first week that drops back the markets will really gain steam.- Hide quoted text -

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