> On Jul 31, 9:59 am, Mickey <needlyf...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > What makes you so sure a better system would be built from the
> > rubble?  The pile of rubble was much higher in the 30's and the system
> > that rose up is fighting with all it's might to avoid the fate of the
> > old one.  I think the image of virtuous and stern-faced practical
> > capitalism is a load of ass drainage.

> > On Jul 31, 9:45 am, Kevin <khieb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Frank, you are probably right about the audit not yielding any real
> > > information. The auditor would inevitably be an insider who would be
> > > "encouraged" not to find anything.

> > > The reason, I think Bernanke is right when he says the US financial
> > > system would collapse if the Fed is truly audited. The question is
> > > should it be allowed to collapse so a better system can be built from
> > > the rubble or do we see how long status quo will keep the USA in
> > > business.

> > > On Jul 31, 7:02 am, FrankB <frankborke314...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Fractional, even if the FED audit bill goes through what do you think
> > > > the chances are that we will get the real information. These boys are
> > > > experts on cooking the books but Trillions might be hard to hide. IMHO
> > > > we will never get the complete picture or even come close to finding
> > > > out who the shareholders are in the FED.

> > > > On Jul 31, 5:53 am, fractional <fractionalend...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > from an article: politicallore.com/writers/shaun-booth/75-of-americans-
> > > > > agree-with-ron-paul-audit-the-federal-reserve/1113

> > > > > Politicallore.com - 75% of Americans agree with Ron Paul: Audit the
> > > > > Federal Reserve
> > > > > Post Date: July 31st, 2009
> > > > > Submitted By: Shaun Booth
> > > > > Filed Under: Economy • Featured • Politics • Shaun Booth

> > > > > According to a recent poll by Rasmussen 3 out of 4 Americans, from
> > > > > across the spectrum of age, race, political affiliation and income,
> > > > > agree with Ron Paul and the 279 cosponsors of his bill (H.R. 1207) in
> > > > > the House of Representatives that the Federal Reserve should open its
> > > > > books to an independent audit.

> > > > > This is yet another indication that the topic of the Federal Reserve
> > > > > is being pushed to the forefront of the United States awareness.

> > > > > It was only a short time ago that Ron Paul would write legislation to
> > > > > abolish the Federal Reserve and it would be completely ignored if not
> > > > > scoffed at in Congress.

> > > > > But since his surprisingly successful Presidential run, which scored a
> > > > > major victory in educating a large percentage of young people on the
> > > > > intricacies of the Federal Reserve System, fractional reserve banking
> > > > > and monetary policy, his fellow Congressmen have no choice but to sit
> > > > > up, take notice and sign on to his bill.

> > > > > In a speech on the House floor yesterday, Ron Paul pointed to the fear
> > > > > that is becoming apparent in both the Federal Reserve System
> > > > > leadership as well as the leadership in Congress. He turned the old
> > > > > argument that is often used on the American people to pass legislation
> > > > > such as the Patriot Act and in defense of carrying out wiretapping…etc
> > > > > against the Federal Reserve. The argument that states that if you have
> > > > > nothing to hide you should have nothing to worry about.

> > > > > On Jul 31, 8:02 pm, Hoang <hoang.l.t...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > it's a cover up.... i dont think anyone really forgot thing easily
> > > > > > when money is involved.

> > > > > > On Jul 30, 9:55 pm, fractional <fractionalend...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > From cut and paste the URL - americanfreepress.net/html/
> > > > > > > fed_chairman_187.html

> > > > > > > Ben Bernanke, the head of the privately owned and controlled Federal
> > > > > > > Reserve, cannot remember to which foreign banks the Fed has loaned a
> > > > > > > half trillion dollars. His lack of memory can be understood, given
> > > > > > > that the Fed has loaned or guaranteed trillions of U.S. dollars to
> > > > > > > banks around the world since the U.S. economy took a turn for the
> > > > > > > worse in the summer of 2008. Still, it was quite an embarrassment for
> > > > > > > the country’s top banker, who, during a three-hour grilling on July 21
> > > > > > > before the House Committee on Financial Services, admitted he did not
> > > > > > > know the recipients of foreign liquidity swaps—loans to foreign
> > > > > > > financial entities—that amounted to some
> > > > > > > $550 billion.

> > > > > > > Shortly after news broke of Bernanke on the hot seat, video of his
> > > > > > > testimony spread like wildfire on the Internet with hundreds of
> > > > > > > thousands of viewers around the world watching the chief banker
> > > > > > > stutter and squirm. Here is the relevant portion of the official
> > > > > > > transcript relating the exchange between Bernanke and Rep. Alan
> > > > > > > Grayson (D-Fla.), who is also a sponsor of Rep. Ron Paul’s landmark
> > > > > > > “Audit the Fed” legislation (H.R. 1207).

> > > > > > > Grayson: “What’s that [the $553 billion amount]?”

> > > > > > > Bernanke: “Those are swaps that were done with  foreign central banks.
> > > > > > > Many foreign banks are short dollars. . . .”

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> > > > > > > Grayson: “So who got the money?”

> > > > > > > Bernanke: “Financial institutions in Europe and other countries.”

> > > > > > > Grayson: “Which ones?”

> > > > > > > Bernanke: “I don’t know.”

> > > > > > > Grayson: “Half a trillion dollars, and you don’t know who got the
> > > > > > > money?”

> > > > > > > Grayson was following up on earlier testimony by Bernanke, who said
> > > > > > > that loans to foreign banks had increased from $24 billion at the end
> > > > > > > of 2007 to $553 billion at the end of 2008. That is a 2,300 percent
> > > > > > > increase in one year for anyone doing the math.

> > > > > > > Grayson and Bernanke were debating complicated global financial
> > > > > > > transactions known as foreign liquidity swaps, whereupon the Federal
> > > > > > > Reserve gives U.S. dollars to foreign financial entities, usually
> > > > > > > foreign central banks. In return for dollars, the foreign institutions
> > > > > > > usually hold an equivalent amount of their own currencies in accounts
> > > > > > > for the Fed.

> > > > > > > Officially, the Federal Reserve states, “When the foreign central bank
> > > > > > > lends the dollars it obtained by drawing on its swap line to
> > > > > > > institutions in its jurisdiction, the dollars are transferred from the
> > > > > > > foreign central bank’s account at the Federal Reserve to the account
> > > > > > > of the bank that the borrowing institution uses to clear its dollar
> > > > > > > transactions.”

> > > > > > > Translated from banker-speak, the U.S. dollars, in a nutshell, are
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